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It is a useful and low cost way of updating people at the very least. I am an old fart and do not use it much.... still, cool to see the plants looking lush and a nice pic of Colorado makes one want to take a trip... one day.

I am most interested to see what happens when the OTC listing takes place. I have asked, and it is in process apparently. Whilst one can wonder why High NW individuals who bought at 6.9p or Schraders at 10p don't 'pile in' at today's price, these people, by definition, have a whole load of other things going on. They, unlike us here, are not all ZOE obsessed day in, day out. But, the turning tide and developing story here will bring investment I believe.

In the meantime it appears that some 'Young Influencers' here in the UK have there hand on our tincture... I've switched from blood Orange to Melon... very different!

I have asked both Eric Boyle and Nick Tulloch to use social media more to keep investors updated with progress. I am pleased to see posts on Twitter and LinkedIn of products and plants, both indoor and out. Solid evidence of real progress.

Finally listed to the very different 'Doc Holliday' interview and NT was honest and unphased. Another tick. Seems some people are getting the message.....

Outdoor crop, OTC, Mr Checkout, further US deals, New UK products, etc etc

Blue, they will produce seeds. They know how to do it and they will already have done some on a small scale and tested them. They cannot risk it not working.

Brokers can definitely sell them too. That is not in doubt. You can debate the price if you like....

A sign of confidence going forward Fredr. Will make any buys at 4p or 5p or 6p look very good when we get to double figures.....

I emailed the company yesterday and received confirmation that all of the plans we are expecting to be axtioned are in process. Keep your eyes peeled!

Nuba, it is no use going back to old RNS's and cherry picking little tit-bits and thinking you are going to out-fox me. I know what is going on and I know what has been RNS'd.

I also know you have not answered the key point we are supposed to be addressing and instead veer off onto other things in a vain attempt to make it look like we might run into 'financial difficulties'.

Now any rational person can see you are putting a lot of effort into rambling negative posts about this company. It would make no sense for you to be invested given your sentiment so we must conclude you are not invested. Therefore a lower share price would suit your purpose, if you are looking for a trading related gain. Hence you are bothering to put in all this effort. It's the same with D14mond. I am certain you are aware of him.

Your main failings are twofold. You have not addressed out ability to just sell the outdoot crop as it is. IN PLANT FORM. This is what all farmers do. It has value just as it is. This could be used to avoid any 'placing' IF one were required. however I refer you again to the October 4th RNS. No such placing is required. Period.

Secondly, your intimation regarding sales volumes so far and store numbers and the connections between the two do not bear any relation to what has been RNS'd regarding the deal to supply WHOLESALE quantities of of finished Chill product to 15 DISRIBUTION CENTRES that can then supply many, many retail outlets. The USA is a big place you know. There are a lot of shops. IF we supply 1/55 of Mr Checkouts client base that 1000 stores..... Anyway. you can bleat on about our ability to sell finished product but your extrapolations regarding future sales are entirely meaningless. We simply don't know yet. But the Mr Checkout deal does certainly open the possibility of some very exciting numbers...

The 'vertically integrated' term is popular but Nick Tullock has made it very clear in his recent communications that we are targeting the beginning (seeds) and end (finished products) of the value chain. We do not use 'Hemp oil' which would be 'Full spectrum' so all the cannabinoids in the hemp plant. We use CBD isolate in our products, just CBD! So the information in the 19th March RNS is out of date. The indoor facility is focused on hemp seed production.

Do you have any more nonsense you want to peddle at me or have you had enough?

No reply from Nuba..... hmmm

then you said:

BH- regarding the commodity issue, the point I was trying to make is we can sell every barrel of oil out of the ground, as we are retailing this product you can not guarantee you will sell every bit of CBD from what you grow/harvest.

We, ZOE, do not process hemp plants into CBD, so let us concentrate on the idea of whether we, the harvester of 40,000 hemp plants, can sell those plants. Happily I have asked our CEO directly about this via email. As I am a private investor he cannot divulge any price sensitive information to me, like.... oh, 'When we will sell our outdoor crop?' and 'How much for....?' but, he can answer a question like 'Do you think it will be possible to sell our outdoor crop, if necessary, to avoid D14mond-burningspear's oh-so-loved placing?' and he was able to confirm that 'Yes, you can sell hemp plants'.

Surprise!!!! I mean, in the industry of hemp plant farming it is well know you can sell your hemp crop. Otherwise I think you would find that there a lot of crazy farmers all over Colorado and the wider USA busy growing hemp as a cash crop, who have not checked whether they can sell the stuff!!!!!

Yeah, that's what farmer do all the time isn't it. Grow stuff they can't sell. Grow up and post something that makes sense.

so Nuba... you said "we have gone from 0-67 stores in 7 months".... in your 11.43 post

Really. Is that now you are going to average the growth of retail outlets over time? That one line makes you whole post redundant. The growth of store numbers all took place in August and September (18 up to 67) and that was before the announcement of the Mr Checkout deal. It is not linear! What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

These 15 outlets of Mr Checkout's are not stores. They are wholesale outlets where store owners buy the stock for their shops.... in bulk. Hence ZOE's need to spend time building up inventory in Chill, both smokes and chews no doubt, to be able to have a significant amount of stock worthy of an order to send to 15 wholesale outlets.

I can accept a basic 'we'll never sell any' statement as someones opinion. I can't accept nonsense statements like your 0-67 in 7 moths one. Hang your head.

At 11.40 D14mond posted an analysis that is very ‘factually selective ‘ in which he proposes the likelihood of a placing in the new Year. He does love a placing!

You posted a skewed post 3 minutes later. I am on the move so on a phone. I would like to ask if you generally agree with Burning Spears post of 11.40?

Also, I assume he, D14mond is not invested given his feelings for the company. Would it be safe to assume the same about your good self, given the content of your post?

It would be useful to know before I answer your arguments and I only ask as you seemed initially to be quite a new poster, but now mention details that go quite a way back. So you must have read at least two and a half years of RNS’s..... very diligent of you orhave you been schooled in the history of HNR?

Are you interested in becoming an investor once things become clearer? I again assume you must be as you have invested quite a lot of time in multiple long posts over the last few days......BH

Bid has barely changed

I meant it hadn't moved today gallini

I only noted it as I was commenting to someone else that i was able to sell 200,000 shares directly this morning which is uncommon

Can still sell 40,000 directly for much the same price after over 500,000 sold this morning....

Ahh the old plastic pipe. Those were the days eh!

JJ 400,000 plus shares sold today and price has not moved.... hmmm

I can sell 200,000 shares at once.... not very common for ZOE.... so somebody wants them.... let's see a gentle rise to at least 5p. This is oversold.

Morning Blue! I think that might be called 'letting off steam'. It's a fair point though.

However, although my posts are positive, they are not entirely unattainable. Certainly the seed elements are not. 4 x 1 million seed bays worth available for sale is not fiction. Outdoor crop sale is a fact. How much for is open to debate.

How many stores might stock chill products through wholesale distribution is impossible to know but....have you ever been to Booker here in the UK. I have. I run my own business and so have a Booker card. Hundred and hundreds of shop owners through there in a month... Mr Checkout need to promote the product to them.

Anyway, i am only trying to illustrate the upside and in light of the fact that we have had to endure a few weeks of 'It's all going tits up and we need another placing...' style BS I thought it time to suggest the other side of the coin.

i hope you have enjoyed a calming cup of Yorkshire Gold this morning. BH

Eringael, their position is clear. Nuba, JJ and D14mond all seem to think that the outdoor crop will produce no cash for ZOE. We will see.

The 'Sale or return' comments are entirely correct. Shop owners buying from Mr Checkout will be able to return unsold stock I would expect. Clearly we need a product that sells. However, the team at Mr Checkout must have looked at the products (smokes and chews) and considered them suitable for their client base or they would not have taken the stock. I would love to know how much we are providing..... My point was that via Mr Checkout, if each of the 15 'Bookers-like' outlets has 50 clientsthat take Chill products, perhaps a mixture of smokes and chews, and if each store owner initially buys 200 units then that is 150,000 units in the market. Maybe they don't sell..... but if they do, even over a 2 month span, at $4 to ZOE it makes $600,000......

I mean, whatever way you spin it, if we get into 500 stores plus and the products sell at anything over a slow rate then revenues will be good. If we get into 1000 stores and products sell well, we are laughing. But only time will tell.

The inability to believe in the seed genetics and seed sale line is quite bizarre but each to their own. The inability to associate revenue with harvested hemp plants that are a COMMODITY (FFS) is just perverse. This really tells you all you need to know about the derampers. Whatever.

I wanted to write these things for others to read. I am not expecting those that are dead set against ZOE, for whatever historical reason, to suddenly come round. That is not going to happen. That I would not credit, Cheers BH

Nuba, after the first paragraph I started to lose interest in your post..... put simply we did not have 67 stores selling for the initial period. Secondly, the presence of the product in the market is in its infancy. I am certain great efforts will be made to promote customer awareness. Third, you have not so far addressed the seed business. I predict this side of the business alone would be able to cover all company costs. Product sales profit, not revenue, profit will be just that. Profit.

In years to come seed sales will more than cover the company costs. you need to get a handle on this. Next year we will be able to keep our 1.2 million grams of organic CBD (outdoor) and make the equivalent of 12 million packs of Chill. What is the retail value of that? Yes..... I predict a sarcastic D14 response to this and a grumpy JJ one. Whatever.

But you have made your point and expressed your reservations which is fair. Have a nice evening ! BH

So firstly Nuba, thanks for bothering to reply and for taking the negative view about the companies prospects. Before I continue I am going to assume you do not hold shares (because you are unsure of the prospects going forward) but you are considering investing (because you have noticed the steep SP drop and sense an opportunity). Is that correct? If not, why post on the BB.

You are right that initial sales are very low. First distribution of Chill stock must have been quite low and the products used to make those packs were only just being sourced. Packaging and process was surely still at an early stage. Next, although websites were developed, after a brief period of online sales working, Paypal pulled out as a provider for online payments and the websites are only now just working. This will have impacted online sales. The new payment provider Paytriot is now working to my knowledge and as product awareness rise so should sales, but they do have a long way to go.

Nick has clearly stated he is targeting much wider distribution and prioritising Chill. I will want him to keep updating us with any new deals, but having the product on sale in hundreds of shops and stores requires the kind of wholesale distribution we have just seen announced via Mr Checkout. No distribution such as this is present in those £36,000 sales, so that number has no meaning in respect of the next 6, 9 or 12 months.

We need product in 500 stores, a 1000 stores... etc The US is a big place after all. He needs to make and sell A LOT of Chill Smokes and Chews and get them out to hundreds and hundreds of outlets via Mr Checkout or similar. he needs to monitor sales and customer feedback and adapt the product accordingly. He has alluded to this as being his intention. He is a finance guy. He will 'get' the numbers.....

Once this scales up, your pessimism may look misplaced.

But you are right in that we do not know yet...... I am posting what might be possible. If 1000 stores sold $40 of our product a day and we made $15 from it that would be how much per month......yes not so crap is it. And hey, it could be way getter than that.

Using the cancellation of plans to upscale the outdoor crop as a negative is misplaced too. D14mond has done this on twitter because he is upset his placing prediction has fallen through. Nick has explained he want to be prudent with resources and concentrate on the high-margin areas of the business. Seeds and products sales. this is where the big profits lie.

The update made me MUCH happier than I had been before, not just for the logistical reasons explained above ( I am confident the seed sales tactic will work and $2-3 million revenue is doable during next spring, not all by year end though) but because it was the first RNS I can remember where we received exactly what we had been promised. a detailed numeric update with clear outline of forward plans and well explained reasoning for any plan changes.

So, in short, i don't

I have posted below two paragraphs from the Friday RNS.

In the CBD division, sales comprise those made in the 67 stores in the US and those made online in the UK through www.zoetic.uk.com. We expect a very different profile in the second half of our financial year. These are early days for the business, but, now that we have a considerable range of stores across different locations, we are gathering key data points in respect to price and product placement. What is key is to identify the pattern of repeat purchases by consumers; we expect it will take around 6 to 9 months to establish a clear profile and we are working closely with our retail partners in this regard.



Our smokables generally retail at US$9.59 and our chew pouches retail at US$9.99. Our wholesale prices vary by volume but are generally in the range of 50 per cent. of retail prices. One area of feedback which we are addressing now is to increase the number of smokables per pack, thereby taking it out of the "novelty" category and into that of regular consumers. As our manufacturing scales up, we have identified economies that will enable us to expand the pack size whilst maintaining healthy margins and, importantly, keeping the retail price below US$10. Our view, which is supported by our retail partners, is that this initiative should continue to advance sales.

Bluebalsnall correctly says below on the OTC thread that it is too early to know how well sales of Chill and Zoetic sales will ramp up over the next 6 and 12 months. We simply do not have the data. However, what the quotes highlight is that Nick Tulloch knows this area is key and is actively seeking to promote repeat custom via product refinement. He is not just going to sit idly by and hope.

During this time the seeds will come......

Profit for year end anyone ??

Also D14mond JJAL AI87 Nuba Nuba and the newly arrived SandyR are clearly not invested and so are only here to talk it down for a trade.

Blue is right in his posting. There is a lot we don’t know. But we do know the outdoor crop has been harvested and we do know the new listing is coming. We now also know that the company intends to be careful not to overextend itself in the future and to concentrate on the parts of the business that will bring most profit.

We also know the CEO is invested, distributor Schaffer’s is invested (at 10p) recent high net worths at 6.9p and the SP is 4p. I think the team growing indoors would prefer their 12.9 million shares to be priced north of 4p if at all possible. So would I.

From here, the prospects of a ‘bag’ in 6 months time are good. Is that rampy enough for you?

Well, at least the is a debate now as over the last 14 days it really was all conjecture regarding the update and whether a furthe cash raise would be required. D14mond clearly allied himself with ‘placing needed now’ argu And several seemed to agree with him.

That prospect has now been removed for some time and I think you will find that use of the outdoor crop will further push it away. What will be fascinating in the coming weeks will be the effect of the OTC listing when it comes, the announcement of further distribution deals for product distribution and the outcome of O&G sale.

We shall see whether the current SP

Is a fair one all things considered.

In my other post I clearly admitted my error
In respect of HNRs past