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BT owns the network. Openreach work on behalf of all service providers who use the BT owned network. Openreach is a completely separate organization that is owned by BT but works for all providers on an equal basis , the same way that Plusnet is owned by BT but offers services in competition with BT and all the other providers.

Humpty Dumpty had a big fall. Should be Fail just like your imaginary bid, it’s a fairly tale that only children believe in.

Oh dear what a boring Door Handle bid is becoming

I think the point being made is that the wording of the 800k losses is vague, fiber line losses in Openreach. There is no breakdown of the phrase, people who have actually moved to a independent network, in which case many of those networks are renting duct space from BT, have moved to a totally mobile offering which could be a BT product or the mobile network is leasing backhaul from BT, so still earning income for BT. People who have passed away, moved out of the country or many other reasons no longer having any connection at all to a property from any source.

The point made about churn is valid, customers move to somebody else, then from them to another and in some cases return to the original. It has been happening for years and is factored in to the business plan, proved by the point that the losses are below expectations. The only comment from the anti BT mob is, lost 800k. When in fact it is within an expected range in fact below target, and no explanation from them or BT as to where they have gone and for what reasons.

It’s just another sound bite for them.

Perhaps bidchild should change to perhaps, Richard Head.

Those who can DO. Those who cannot talk about it!

Congratulations bidboy, you have shown a high level of self discipline likely due to a lack of stimulating substances.

You have reached 100 posts in 4 months, your previous incarnation’s have managed that in a couple of days.

It’s not just BT that are suffering churn so are others. Customers walking away.

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/virgin-media-o2-warns-over-121629171.html

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Snoopz.

It was an attempt to prove what I said in a previous post, that AI is just a tool that looks for data dependent on the input it is given, ie the words in the question. Changing a word or adding or deleting one will likely change the output. So the question can be loaded if you are looking for an output that fits a point of view. Exactly the same way statistics can be interpreted to support a viewpoint by one person but can also be used to support an opposing view if someone wishes. You could use a hammer to put a screw in, it’s a tool, how long the screw will do its job will depend on how you use the hammer, it may suffice or fall out a few minutes later. Same with AI in my view at present.

Aus3009.

What has Brexit got to do with any recent decisions on this board, it’s one of the many things you have used to back your viewpoint on many topics. Along with that you have again accused people of having a mental health issue. There is always a negative slant from you when it comes to BT, I do not remember a single positive news string that you have initiated and when others do you can probably be found picking holes in it. Someone posted the other day that they felt you were an angry man, you certainly come across that way no matter what the subject. You would likely get some better responses to your posts and some respect if you did not constantly come across as mentioned, you always default to knowing better than anyone on any subject if they do not agree with you.

Try having a glass half full for a change.

Will jump on the tool wagon.

Q. Give me a list of US owners of UK based Altnets and can they use USA chapter 11.

A. In 2026, the UK alternative network (altnet) sector continues to face significant financial pressure, leading to increased consolidation and oversight by US-based private equity and institutional investors.

US Owners and Major Investors in UK Altnets

Many prominent UK altnets are backed by US-headquartered investment firms, either through direct ownership or major equity stakes:

CityFibre: Backed by Goldman Sachs Asset Management (US) and Newlight Partners (US), alongside other international investors like Mubadala and Antin.

Nexfibre: A joint venture between Liberty Global (US-registered/headquartered), Telefónica, and InfraVia.

Gigaclear: While primarily owned by Infracapital (UK), it has historically received backing from various international lenders. As of early 2026, lenders including Lloyds and the National Wealth Fund are reportedly taking control to prepare it for sale.

Hyperoptic: Owned by KKR (Kohlberg Kravis Roberts), a major US private equity firm.

Community Fibre: Backed by Warburg Pincus (US) and DTCP.

G.Network: Previously backed by USS and Cube, it was acquired in January 2026 by FitzWalter Capital (UK-based but often manages global capital) after facing severe debt issues.

Use of US Chapter 11 Bankruptcy

Foreign companies, including UK-based altnets, can legally file for Chapter 11 reorganization in the United States under specific conditions:

Low Jurisdictional Bar: A company does not need to be incorporated in the US to file. It can establish jurisdiction by having even minimal property in the US, such as a professional fee retainer in a US bank account.

Global Automatic Stay: Filing for Chapter 11 triggers an "automatic stay" that theoretically protects the company's assets worldwide from creditor actions while it reorganizes.

Historical Precedents: London-based OneWeb successfully used US Chapter 11 for reorganization in 2020.

Limitations (The "Gibbs Rule"): Under English law, debt governed by English law generally cannot be discharged by a foreign court (like a US bankruptcy court) unless the creditors consent or there is a parallel UK proceeding (like a Restructuring Plan or Administration).

Current Trend: In 2025 and 2026, struggling UK altnets like G.Network have typically opted for UK Administration or sales triggered by lenders rather than US Chapter 11, likely due to the predominantly UK-based nature of their physical assets and debt

So Aus3009 it’s ok for you to use AI to strengthen your point on a given subject but not for others to do likewise. AI is a tool, will leave it at that!

Looks like someone was good over Christmas, they got there iPhone back now school has started again.

Fleccy. Re your question about today’s drop. Likely we will be told, it’s down to Sky wanting ITV. Something that is a long way from actually happening considering all the issues it will give rise to IF the talks move on from an initial interest. There hav been so many, Sky is about to takeover the world, then it comes to nothing.

Still O2 (VM) are starting to loose a large proportion of there mobile customers due to the hiking of there price increases above there previous levels, in some cases up to 40% increase. Check it out with Martin Lewis. How’s that for falling revenue, loss of customers and faith in the brand. Go VM/O2 you really know how to run a business. Into the ground that is.

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AUS3009. ?????

Perhaps take some water with it.

“ have you noticed it’s always starlink & not BT satellite involved / chosen ”

That is because BT do not have any satellites of there own. SIMMPLES

As with all things AUS3009. It’s all just TALK likely with not much of an outcome at the end of the day.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2025/10/virgin-media-o2-ponders-2bn-uk-broadband-deal-to-acquire-netomnia.html

Aus3009. It’s a shame that you feel unable to qualify where your Telecommunications knowledge is from, if you had qualifications in the subject or extensive real world involvement in it, giving an insight into that would help lend credibility to your comments on the topic. The fact that you feel unable to give some insight simply weakens your comment and your credibility, except of course in your own mind.

As has been highlighted in the recent past you do appear to sometimes live in a bit of a Walter Mitty world, could that be some consequence of Brexit perhaps, or you have been influenced by some Russian experiment in mind warping.

Big yourself up a bit and give posters some insight into your expertise in the subject rather than appearing to simply be an internet fact chaser with little real understanding.