RE: Vanadium for EV27 Aug 2018 09:13
MRremmy - I missed this being presented at the IFBF as I had to come home before the last day.
I think the halving in size is the same thing as doubling the energy capacity so it doesn't need to be stated twice - that sounds like you are getting some kind of improvement of a factor 4, which you are not.
I haven't seen the chemical reactions yet so I cannot say for sure but it would seem that instead of having a change of oxidation state of +1 on 1 side of the battery and -1 on the other side of the battery you now have a change of state of +2 on just the one side of the system that the vanadium is on. The best you could get would be a change of oxidation state from 2->5 which is +3, but I see no factors of 3 anywhere in the description.
The way that this is described I wonder if the process is actually reversible - i.e. they do not have a battery but a flow cell, and they do not have electrolyte, but rather a Vanadium 'fuel' which is used once then has to be changed out. Hence the parallel with petrol stations.
In this context I see no difference between this and Hydrogen fuel cells, with the Hydrogen being regenerated from water at service stations using nice clean renewable energy. The hydrogen is a lot lighter to transport around and the end product and starting fuel is super cheap water.
Obviously a flowing cell where one side is liquid and the other side is air presents greater challenges for the membrane, as one side will face liquid which has to be pressurised to make it flow but the other side is at 1 bar everywhere. The symmetry of a normal Vanadium flow battery ensures that there are no unbalanced forces on the membrane.