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You'd have to be very stupid not to worry about where this SP is heading. I've got 5000 which I can afford to lose if the sh#t hits the fan. No point dressing it up as a 'great buying opportunity' or a 'chance to level down'. ITM up nearly 4%. CWR down 4%. We're drifting further & further down. Over to you Phil. You need to respect your shareholders not continuously ignore them. What's the problem?

Twelve years ago this share was almost £30. Then it crashed to 15 pence. Why? Because the 'technology' didn't work. I learnt my lesson the hard way. Now 12 years on we have seen the SP fall from £13 to £3. That's because the SP was based on potential rather than actual sales & performance. The JV should have been signed 6 months ago. It wasn't. Why? Investors are now asking more & more questions about micro issues rather than focusing on the potential macro picture. I hate to say I'm getting feelings of deja-vu from 12 years ago ...but anyone who has had their fingers burnt once is bound to be question why the JV is taking so long to sign. Does the technology actually work? Over to you Phil. I think we need to be told.

Exactly. Having a huge number of shares in a few institutional hands means that CWR is vulnerable. The point I was trying to make which has deliberately misinterpreted. It's impossible to be objective when you've got a lot of 'skin in the game'.

The problem with half a dozen large institutions owning tens of millions of shares though, is that if one decides to sell it can trigger a meltdown. I'm not saying that will happen but it's always a possibility.

Well we'll agree to agree then Savvy. Good luck.

Warren Buffet did say that the Stock Exchange is a way of transferring money from the impatient to the patient. He was being slightly disengenous though. To make money you also need to trade. Had I sold my Glencore for example when they were £5.60 I would have done well. Unfortunately I didn't. Still I take the point about focussing on daily micro-movements rather than the bigger macro picture. I just think at this particular point in time if the CEO announced that everything was still in place for the inking of the JV. That would calm investors & markets concerns at the steadily drifting SP. GLA.

Familiar pattern every day now. Starts off well then starts to fall during the day. Ends up in the red. I hope I'm wrong but I can see sub £3 today : (

From £25 to 13 pence if I remember right. Let's hope history isn't repeating itself : (

Now isn't the time to panic. Ceres share price has always been based on potential rather than actual performance & earnings. Nobody can predict the future but now is not the time to sell imo. On the contrary if I had some spare cash I'd buy more. Happy to hold 5000 though. GLA.

Forget banks & building societies just sink your money into Legal & General. BAT. Vodafone & Glencore. Fantastic dividends. On paper Ceres is overvalued imo and there are far better shares to invest in BUT IF the JV is signed & there is a move to the main market this share could double or triple very quickly. That's why I'm invested here. Money ultimately I can afford to lose. But I also hold other shares just for the dividends. Cost/Benefit analysis suggests CWR is a risk but one worth taking imo. GLA. DYOR.

Big rise in SP after deals announced in Europe. Anyone know how this affects CWR? Is it complimentary to CWR or competition? Or both?

a lot of the anti-chinese rhetoric is purely for domestic political purposes. of course it doesn't help when the house-drinker nancy pelosi or the incredibly ******ed lizz truss visit taiwan to whip it up to keep themselves in the public profile. china cannot afford to antagonise the west economically because of their enormous export industries. it would be like shooting themselves in both feet. as far as cwr is concerned it's a bit of a waiting game but sit tight, hold on and imo your patience will be rewarded. amen.

That's £520,000 worth on current market prices Savvy. Blimey. I thought 5,000 was a lot lol. GLA.

Never fall in love with a share Damers. You become emotional & irrational. I'm into CWR to make money. Full Stop. I couldn't care less what they make or who they sell it to. But there's a huge market out there and Ceres looks like it could exploit it. GLA. DYOR.

I've bought a few more CWR which brings my holding to just over 5000 which is nothing compared to some posters on this board (if you believe them) but it is a risk. IF the JV is signed. IF we move to the main board. Etc etc. A risk worth taking imo. But when posters regurgitate old news and/or post 'technical' details...just ignore it. It means nothing. Rampers are the worst they are just selling the naive & gullible something that doesn't exist.

China will continue to do business with 'The West' otherwise it's exports to Western Countries will be affected. Most of the sabre-rattling against China is for purely Western Domestic Political reasons. It will have zero affect on it's business with Ceres.

When I studied for my Masters in Econometrics we had a competition to find the most obscure 'research' to back up our Theories. Search hard enough and you'll find 'research'that 'proves' that the moon is made out of cheese. The analogy is appropriate because that's precisely what happens with shares. Somebody somewhere will tell you what you want to hear/see. Broker advice is about as useful as a marzipan dildo. Marzipan not cheese.

'Gut feelings'? Do we still believe in Witchcraft on this board? You need to stop ramping this up Savvy. You're becoming as tiresome as Phatstyle. I hold about 4000 CWR and I believe it's a risk worth taking. Obviously if that money was in Legal & General or Phoenix or even Glencore I'd be getting a decent dividend back. With CWR there's sweet FA. Despite what other posters say the SP now depends exclusively on inking the JV. Then we move to the main board. Until that happens, based on the last 12 months results, the SP will slowly drift downwards. No amount of 'good feelings' or 'gut instinct' will change that. It is what it is

I think you've answered your own question mate.