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Members, do you consider all gambles to be a 50/50 outcome like the flip of a coin or do you consider such gambles structural based on fundamentals?

I've no idea about horse racing but it's a theme you keep comparing Sirius to. When you bet on a horse do you just go by the name of the horse or do you study form? If you're a half intelligent kinda person I'm presuming you consider the jockey's ability, the horse's preferred ground etc etc. In other words you do your research to improve your chances of success.

Isn't that what we investors are doing here?

Gambles to me are the probable mathematical outcomes of given scenarios upon which you have no control. I don't view investments as a form of gambling. I never have. I know many do but to me it implies that you have no control over the outcome of events.

The share price is what it is Members because of market forces.

It's as simple as that.

It's what those buying and selling this stock deem it to be worth at the moment.

I haven't claimed it to be the share of the century nor have I claimed it to be a safe share. What I am saying is that looking forward it is an investment that has the potential to increase substantially. I don't say that because It's a fairytale but because if hard cogent facts surrounding product quality, off takes and construction advancement.

It may turn out to be the worst investment I have ever made, but my research tells me otherwise.

Incidentally, I'm not lucky to be in profit for it's my sagacity that's brought that about.

Firstly Members I'm not nursing a loss but I'm in profit.

Are you really disputing the investment in Sirius by not only the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world but other leading investment houses too?

If so, then even your basic research is woefully lacking.

Members, did you really just say that the big investment houses are staying away from Sirius!

Do your research.

Members, where did I say that Sirius was a safe investment?

Members, but Sirius is not a black or red gamble like a roulette wheel. Agreed, it is not a certainty, but to compare our undertaking to that of a random 50/50 gamble on success or failure is nonsensical and to miss the point totally about rational, well researched investment opportunities. You're letting previous failures of stock market investment feed your over all perception of the stock market as a whole. The real disappointment is not learning from your past investment failures to make you money on other opportunities. Like a lot of fellow investors I've lost money too. Even had one go bust. But you have to pick yourself up, dust yourself down and pull something positive from previous lousy judgements as you go forward.

Members, your reply and requirements for possible investment in Sirius clearly indicate that this share is not for you. In addition, the certainty you are looking for regarding future profits even if we get up and running suggest no investment is for you.

The stock market is a vehicle for a variety of investments, but no company an indefinite certainty to the extent you seem to be demanding.

Members, what proof do you need to satisfy your potential investment?

Nice quote Myo, but I much prefer that by T. E. Lawrence:

All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes to make them possible.

In other words: Yep I'm fully loaded.

Queue the eggs and basket brigade.

Here's to a profitable future indeed Dadean.

What you've alluded to there re purple bricks etc is something I've long considered could happen, especially with us being a disruptive product within the marketplace. I still believe we are a potentially life changing share. The tide is I feel now turning in our favour and as we move into the second half of this year with construction hopefully continuing apace and with bonds soon to be sorted the share price shall start to reflect our undertaking and infiltration into the potash arena.

Here's to a profitable future indeed Dadean.

What you've alluded to there re purple bricks etc is something I've long considered could happen, especially with us being a disruptive product within the marketplace. I still believe we are a potentially life changing share. The tide is I feel now turning in our favour and as we move into the second half of this year with construction hopefully continuing apace and with bonds soon to be sorted the share price shall start to reflect our undertaking and infiltration into the potash arena.

Fred, call the National Federation of Roofing Contractors. Explain your situation and get them to advise you.

Always go through trades governing bodies.

Dadean, I only did a quick Google search which threw up PEs from 18 months ago for potash sector. It would be worth finding out current multiples.

You say that's higher than which Sirius has valued itself but I recall CF saying just before planning approval was granted that if permission to build the mine was passed it would value us at approximately $15bn based on 10 mtpa rising to approximately $28bn at 20mtpa.

Again, I may stand corrected on those figures.

Dadean, eighteen months ago (not sure now) PE average for potash sector was over 26. Potash corporation of Saskatchewan at that time was 34.

Just did a quick Google search out of curiosity so I may stand corrected.

Just curious where you get your PE of 8 from?

Looks like the electrician is number one.

Typical bloody sparky. They always come in and take the glory. It's the same when I fit a boiler. I spend two days working my nuts off pulling pipes through floor joists and fitting flues in attics that are like saunas only for my electrician to come in when I've finished to spend half hour wiring up a fuse spur who the customer thinks is great because he's got it up and running.

The cheeky git even gets the tea and biscuits!

That's an interesting link.

I'm number 29. Seems about right. I was always about that number at school in classes of 30.

It says how repetitive content is gauged to determine poster's level of attempted ramping. Which begs the question why AlanG is only number 6.

Apologies, not Bobster's post but Bobabout.

Feel like I'm in a Not the nine o'clock news sketch there!

There's one for the old gits amongst us!

AlanG, I agree wholeheartedly with your friend. That's why I got aboard Sirius before him.

Despite your certainty of what you believe shall transpire here may I suggest you try to look at things objectively and not view anyone who questions even the slightest thing against CF or Sirius as an out and out raging doom and gloom merchant with left wing / communist tendencies. The manner in which you replied to Bobster's post about the Daily Mail article was completely over the top, detached from what he said and with a heavy whiff of paranoia on your part.

Best of luck with your 300,000 too.

AlanG, if you made three million quid on Dana then that's great for you. I really mean that. However, no amount of wealth, supposed or real, reinforces the certainty of your predictions nor adds weight to your offerings as you seem to believe they do. If anything the content of your past predictions and the promising certainty with which they were made only serves to demonstrate those of a wealthy position can make idiotic predictions as much as anyone else.

I do seem to recall your investment in Dana was made on the back of someone recommending it to you quite fervently and so whilst you put your money in the root of your success [sic] lies with another.

In addition, I've always found it curious why someone who made so much money in Dana holds so few shares in Sirius. Was it 400,000 or thereabouts?

Bobabout, you may be tempted to filter AlanG but I'd really advise you not to as he can be a wonderful source of entertainment, especially when there's nothing on the telly.

Just you wait until he makes his predictions about Sirius with such steadfast and promising certainty.

They can be real comedy gems. Up there with Del Boy falling through the hatch whilst going to lean on the bar.