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The mapping software they use isn't fit for purpose, whatever it is. If you use follow it by the letter you'll have to drive through concrete bollard, down pathways and behind fences meaning you need to garden hop to get to the delivery point.
We have two routing apps on our PDA's now. The old style RO+N is useless but the newer one is actually quite good, although not without issues. Worst thing is we have two databases of addresses and the new routing uses one which isn't very accurate. I tried to change the incorrect addresses three times over a period of months on the old round I did but it was ignored every time.
It's alright if you know an area but any new starters or agency staff get thrown by it with the routing software showing a different address to what's on the item. eg, instead of 12 Marley Copse, Broad Road it'll just say 12 Broad Road which is a completely different address (I made up those addresses for the purposes of this post).
Also, can I say I think I meant adjective rather than verb in my last post. English isn't my strong point despite living here all my life!
GLS spinoff looking more likely by the day.
Most of the revisions are being done at the table top level which means bypassing the software they use go make the routes properly. These are also being done mainly without input from cwu as they have been told to steer clear of it, although at a local level this is a mistake because at some point we are going to be out of dispute, wether good or bad and we'll need to continue on.
DK /VESA. Will be quietly sitting on the sidelines waiting to hoover up all the cheap shares of posties selling up through frustration
Jbthistle the problem with a manager doing a revision he might have a fast postman on a round who keeps finishing early so the he puts an hour on that delivery. Then when the revision is complete you have a resign in the office now the postman who was finishing early will not sign for that duty with the extra workload and someone else will get it who is not so quick and end up booking OT everyday so there goes your savings. I think the planners use a tool that’s called peagus but i could be wrong im sure someone on here will know
Dowsie - we had one last year. The manager who did it took VR in the latest wave of redundancies. We now use his surname as a verb to describe walks, or parts of walks, that don't make sense.
Oddly, in our new batch of managers, one worked in an office where they asked for, and took onboard, posties opinions of how to change the rounds. Most are honest and will tell suggest sensible changes. That didn't happen at our place.
Talk2Much I agree with what you say but surely any office manager would have a pretty good understanding of traffic volumes. hours utilised etc etc and feed into any revision be it desk top or full on structural review. I wonder if it is as basic as find x% of savings and tweak the duties to suit. Its not like revisions are new to anyone but also correct that rushing them through may be less effective.
Dowsie. A proper one about 4 or 5 years ago. A shambles one , last year. Made no savings and probably added costs.
Dynamo fc we haven’t had a revision in our office since 2013 when we went to van share I know the planner who did it took VR 5 years ago out of curiosity when was the last time your office had a revision that question applies to any postman on this board
It would be a planner's job for sure, Dynamo. But a planner would normally use all the right tools to understand the work required and build an office duty set to cover that. The "revisions" being talked about are a simple re-write of duty structures in an office to make sure the office spends less. I don't know how this is supposed to work if there's no factual information being used to do this, but can understand why managers would be reluctant to do such a thing. RMG used to do proper, thorough, structural revisions in offices which were, largely, successful in reducing costs. Last year they tried to race the process in hundreds of offices and consequently, as has been pointed out, failed to make any savings as a result of the revisions. This appears to have shattered the company's faith in a process which used to work well (albeit was time consuming) and led them to doing what I've heard referred to as a "paper exercise to pretend they're cutting costs".
Dynamofc thanks I thought it was a general refusal to do some standard type work I am sure they will resolve it through training (probably online) and or puting a small task force together in each area. I am sure they will find a workaround and hopefully any changes can be implemented.
Catiche - I know rural areas appreciate their posties more than most city dwellers.
One thing your post reminded me of - we often read we have to compete with Amazon Logisitics. One of the people I used to deliver too isn't happy that, now he's moved to our area from London, anything he orders from Amazon on a Friday for next day delivery now has a delivery date of Monday. They don't do Saturday & Sunday deliveries to is area.
We do. It was on a Sunday that I was talking to him about this. We gets loads of Amazon stuff to do on Sundays as, I presume, it's not cost effective for them to deliver it themselves.
Is that what RM really want to emulate?
They are being told to implement delivery revisions JB , which they are not trained to do and is above their spec. Unite has gone back to Royal Mail and said , give them the training, and release them from there managers jobs whilst they do it and that will be fine. Putin has refused this so Unite has said its not happening. You wouldn't tell a non driver to drive an HGV , just the same as you wouldn't ask a manager to do something they know nothing about. It's a planners job.
I was tempted to double my holding today until I did the math and realised it would only lower my current average by around 10 %, which in the big scheme of things is too much risk for too little reward.
Instead, I will use the funds to buy a set amount every month for the next 6-12 months and hopefully in that time price finally bottoms out and the tide begins to turn again.
It's pretty clear what DK is going to try and accomplish probably via PostNL but that is not going to happen overnight and how would he fund a takeover of RMG without straddling either himself or his holding company with Debt.
It's almost an exact repeat of what has occurred twice in the past.
A lot of useful background info on this Board from those persons in the know and are on the front line of RMG . I am a retired farmer in a remote area who is most thankful for the service received over the years by conscientious Postmen and Ladies . A great pity to see a good company in such dire straits . I will just average down from £3.02 shortly as I still think there is a future with RMG in some from or another.
Again from experience,you cannot refuse to do something your asked to do from higher up the chain,your opening yourself upto gross misconduct...I was in the same place as a rep..they wanted me out as I was pushing change...I was informed from my union to do what was asked and try to fight it...the problem is once sacked it takes an age to get to a tribunal,that you may not win
With going on strike you have opened yourselves up to r/m taking no notice of agreements..but as I have said many times the company have a plan,they always gave a goal,ACAS is another tick in the box from a legal point.once the big mouth gets sacked,whatever the consequences the rest fall in like ducks.
Basically I think your all now screwed
Dynamofc at least the CWU exec are in the room with the business as I type. What work is it the managers are being asked to do. Their is a general cover all staement in managers contracts saying "work as directed" I am not sure many would want to go down the line of refusing to follow a reasonable instruction.
It would be poor for the hundreds of your colleagues to also lose money on the shares they hold and I am fairly sure DK/Vesa would love to buy more at greatly reduced prices.
Sorry meant luck not like
Sean I wish RM would have bought a bonus in years ago I’d be quids in knowing my like it will probably come in next year when I’m retired
The union has been mentioning Acas for weeks but Putin and his cronies wouldn't agree to it. With managers refusing to force the change because it is not part of there job spec and CWU not backing down looks like Putin is crumbling .
As for managers getting sacked. How can you sack someone for not doing something that's not their job ? As for sacking the posties. P&O didn't go Welland most people don't know a P&O worker but they do their posty. Tic toc tic toc
Get ya shares 50p each.
Sounds like you should be getting a bonus for being quick and your colleagues should not. Wait, didn't RMG want to look at bonuses this year?
That RNS reads like a declaration of war on the CWU. Shorters will no doubt take advantage.
Talk2much I’m all for PDA OA looking at current routes with people going home early and making it more fairer in the office so all the walks are equal. But we have people in our office who can’t complete a duty which is the easiest in the office so there leave in the frame what they can’t complete and anyone who gets back early are sent out to complete it .As RG Postie says Monday and Tuesday are light days I normally make 40 minutes on those 2 days but then have to go out and help clear the frame with Mail left in it . How is that fair I’m not complaining that I have to work to my time but having to do other people work sticks in my throat. The best bit about this was when we were allowed OT the slow postman would book an hours OT everyday and would be taking home 50 pounds a week more then me so out of the 3 jobs I’ve had you seem to get rewarded for being lazy
From memory,and iam happy to be put right,before a company or the union can …let’s say put there foot down and be in the clear…all avenues need to be exhausted…maybe a good move from the board…doing exactly that…then just doing what they want anyway with no come backs:-)
Good to see the business trying to move this forward through Acas. After 12 weeks of industrial action, if the business has made attempts to resolve this, for example by going through Acas, the strikers can be dismissed. As an outsider I'd guess that the CWU will not want to go through Acas but will have to accept the proposal to use them in order to appear to be willing to negotiate in a reasonable fashion. The screws are being turned on the CWU.