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Hi davidxie, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions - most insightful. I think u are our 'Go to' guy given you are Chinese! Please stay in touch. We need u here! Some of the information in your last post is something which would be hard to get from anywhere else. I take it you have lived there? Given you can understand Chinese, I'm assuming you are Chinese? Are there any subtle differences in the way in which people in China view health supplements compared to the West? I wonder if they are more inclined to buy natural health supplements than go for prescription drugs? Or perhaps they do both? The 20% growth on goat milk and soy powder is impressive. I think the question is, how much do the 'worried well' people in China care about heart health? I know I'm blurting out question after question, however I'm truly passionate about Fruitflow. I've had these shares (and it's a huge investment for me) for about 10 years now. So, this matters. Thank u again to u, Gixer, and everyone for helping to get some positive news for us. It could be a good time to get products out there in the Coronavirus world. It almost sounds bad to think of a product doing well due to such a tragic pandemic, but Fruitflow is relevant when it comes to smoothing out sticky blood, which Coronavirus seems to cause. Once we have Bluehat, then hopefully the Company can get stand alone Fruitflow products (or Fruitflow Plus products) marketed and distributed by COFCO, depending on how much they wish to push the product.
Thx DX
I must admit I find it pretty disingenuous of IF et al that the market hasn’t been updated about new FF containing products owned by companies as big as COFCO whilst watching his latest bezzy increase his stake at this low SP. They can’t hide behind confidentiality agreements when details are easily accessed by gixer et al..
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Which of these products would you describe as a "game changer", rather than the normal market progress which has been covered in updates for years?
I would love there to be official news that X had launched a new mass market Fruitflow product, which has resulted in orders for the ingredient which are many multiples of previous levels. I don't see one yet, only the growing prospect that one is coming once appropriate boxes are ticked. You accuse folks of market abuse, and that's wrong unless you can prove it. If The Lucas family have financial interests in other companies that may be influential, giving them more certainty of progress, that isn't abuse. Personally I'm very glad that he has supported placings, and increased his stake substantially, because I don't think the sp would be in a good place without that. He has increased the value of my holding very significantly. Yours too.
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Silence for six months during a world crisis that our ONLY product might or might not have a role to play in, significant improvement in share price during that period, big post RNS sells and buys that stopped as quickly as they started, new products popping up all over the place that are with significant players, FF trademark dropped from packaging....... do you not think an update is long overdue ?
in meantime SP is slipping back
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Your last point, it is, volume has vanished, markets are nervous. We know why volume has vanished, we know why it increased for a while. For Mr Lucas to acquire what he has, assuming that his intention is to salt them away for the long term, means that "spare" shares had to be available. As with any fast riser, there are traders who momentum trade, once things settle down they will sell up and move on to the next fast mover, all normal in a free market. The matter of Fruitflow being a possible aid to Covid sufferers is a valid one, all I know is that it isn't a topic that the company is able to discuss. I know no more than that, anything else would be speculation and I don't want to. The dropping of the logo from the retail product is puzzling, but isn't affecting a big proportion of the revenue stream. I don't think any of us regard the name or style as vital to the product, what is does is a far more powerful message. For myself, I wish they'd started off with something more "treatment" focussed rather than vaguely food related, but I doubt a branding change is feasible.
Almost every word of an update would be identical to previous ones unless and until there is a major step. If Blue Hat is the key to the door, and we have no clue at all how long that process is going to take, what else can they tell us?
Current level is quite good as far as I'm concerned, and I have added small amounts. If we were languishing in the .30's as some predicted, I'd be a lot more sombre..
Hi Sock, yes, I am Chinese. Majority of the Chinese population prefer natural supplements over drugs, health care products has been one of fastest-growing sectors in China, back in 2013, the market was worth 99 billion RMB (£11b ), but in 2019, the sales of health care products was 227 billion RMB(£25 B), the market has grown by more than double, on average, each Chinese spent roughly £180 on health care products every year, the heart health products are among the top 8 categories(sorry i dont have a sales figure for this), the top 3 players are Infinitus (the owner of walkie talkie building in London), Amway and BY -Health, By-health accounts for 6.1% market share and their main sales channel are pharmacy stores and online portals, currently there are 450,000 pharmacy stores across the country, I have been to many big or small cities and I can see by-health products listed in almost every pharmacy store.
While I am very excited about the connection with COFCO, my money is on BY-health, I seem to remember that BY-HEALTH has spent mulit million RMB on Fruitflow, I do believe Fruitflow is a very strong supplement to their heart health products range as they only have 5 products (http://www.by-health.com/en/heart) under this category. I strongly believe that by-health will focus on marketing the benefit of helping people with hypertension(270 million people are suffering from hypertension in China ), hypertension is also the only area that Fruitflow can be granted blue hat. Timeframe wise, it normally takes 3 years for a blue cap application to be granted but the EFSA approval should help to reduce the time, DSM and By health signed the deal back in sep 2018, I truly believe that 2021 will be our long waiting transformational year .
Hi davidxie, thank u! Fabulous info. One question I have is, why is hypertension the only area that Fruitflow can be granted Bluehat? There are 3 pillars of heart health, which are: Cholesterol, blood flow, hypertension. Fruitflow, as we all know, is well proven for helping blood flow. So, I was hoping we could get Bluehat for 2 pillars. I seem to recall gixer posting a link to a study ongoing for affect of Fruitflow on cholesterol. So, that would make it 3 pillars. So, why not potentially 3 X Bluehats?
Sock, Hear is the list of 27 Approved Health Functions
http://www.cirs-reach.com/news-and-articles/health-food-registration-and-filing.html
#9 = Assisting blood pressure reduction
#2= Assisting blood lipids reduction
By-Health studies
Cholesterol
A randomized controlled trial for the effects of the water-soluble tomato extract for the hypercholesterolemia populations
http://www.chictr.org.cn/showprojen.aspx?proj=27052
Experimental Study on the Antioxidant and Blood Lipid-lowering Effects of Water-soluble Tomato Concentrate
http://www.chinafoodj.com/ch/reader/view_abstract_pre.aspx?flag=2&file_no=202001170000005&journal_id=spzljcxb
Blood pressure
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020077747&_cid=P10-K9F8JJ-45635-1
http://www.chictr.org.cn/showproj.aspx?proj=27048
http://www.zhuanliqiao.com/zlqiao/patent-c185aaeb57da4dcfa9da1f146ee78bda.html
Blood flow
http://www.cnki.com.cn/Article/CJFDTotal-ZSYK202002011.htm
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-17401/v1
http://www.wjtcm.net/article.asp?issn=2311-8571;year=2019;volume=5;issue=4;spage=260;epage=268;aulast=Zhang
From December 2018 interim RNS
"BY-HEALTH intends to make its first blue cap submission to the SAMR for Fruitflow® in February 2019,
with a further blue cap submission envisaged later in 2019, both to include references to the Company’s
existing European Food Safety Authority (‘EFSA’) health claim for Fruitflow."
https://provexis.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/PXS_2018-11_Provexis_plc_30-Sep-18_interims_31-Dec-18.pdf
Just joining dots but #9 and #2 could be the blue hats??????
Hey gixer, that's brilliant! Some light reading for me to do tonight! I see that blood flow as a category does not exist under which to claim. I do find that a bit odd. But, we do have the reduced blood pressure to go for. I imagine all the blood flow evidence can be used to support the reduced blood pressure claim as well as the lowering of cholesterol claim. Do u know how many participants were in the cholesterol trial? It might be on the link but couldn't see it.
1/ A randomized controlled trial for the effects of the water-soluble tomato extract for the hypercholesterolemia populations
Group 1
Sample size:30
Intervention:Placebo
Group 2
Sample size: 30
Intervention:the water-soluble tomato extract
2/ Experimental Study on the Antioxidant and Blood Lipid-lowering Effects of Water-soluble Tomato Concentrate
Animal study.
"Results: the water-soluble tomato concentrate can reduce the content of lipid oxidation products and protein carbonyl in serum of aged mice, and can reduce the content of serum cholesterol in hyperlipidemia model animals."
Hi Gixer and Sock,
Many thanks to both of you. What a wonderful research you guys are doing and providing to this board. Do you do this type research to all of your other share? Without two of you this board is very ill-informed. I think Gixer is right about that list. It looks no.2 and 9 could contain Fruitflow and the other two pillar of blood flow. Hope some kind of announcement very soon.
DP64, simple answer is no. I don't even post on any of my other shares good or bad.
Hi DP64 - Thanks, but it's mainly gixer, and others who do the research.
Not been here for a while, but triggered by the news of COVID19 being associated with the clotting of blood. My young cousin in S.Africa is suspected of having had a stroke prior to his admittance to hospital for COVID19 and this appears to be becoming a far more recognised symptom these days.... beter late than never!