We would love to hear your thoughts about our site and services, please take our survey here.
London South East prides itself on its community spirit, and in order to keep the chat section problem free, we ask all members to follow these simple rules. In these rules, we refer to ourselves as "we", "us", "our". The user of the website is referred to as "you" and "your".
By posting on our share chat boards you are agreeing to the following:
The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. As a user you agree to any information you have entered being stored in a database. You agree that we have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic or board at any time should we see fit. You agree that we have the right to remove any post without notice. You agree that we have the right to suspend your account without notice.
Please note some users may not behave properly and may post content that is misleading, untrue or offensive.
It is not possible for us to fully monitor all content all of the time but where we have actually received notice of any content that is potentially misleading, untrue, offensive, unlawful, infringes third party rights or is potentially in breach of these terms and conditions, then we will review such content, decide whether to remove it from this website and act accordingly.
Premium Members are members that have a premium subscription with London South East. You can subscribe here.
London South East does not endorse such members, and posts should not be construed as advice and represent the opinions of the authors, not those of London South East Ltd, or its affiliates.
Think you may have to up it. Seems someone has buy order in for 1p+. Let's see how many more they want
2x1 million and a 998k buys still to show.
Explains why my order at 0.95p was never filled today !!!!
Remember we talked about not needing much buying to get things shifting a short while ago?
There could well be a bigger buy which we can't see yet IMHO
All the sells are in fact buys. , news imminent imo
Not sure about that gix,this paragraph from the last interims would suggest that they are still pursuing health claims under the existing set up ,”Fruitflow is well placed to play an important role in the Chinese cardiovascular health market under the permitted health function claim legislation, and we look forward to working closely with By-Health seeking to maximise the commercial success of this agreement for the benefit of both companies.”
wellsite,
This is what was said in the interim results.
"By-Health’s regulatory clearance preparations for Fruitflow were originally focussed on obtaining blue cap
health claim status for some Fruitflow based products in China, under the existing 27 permitted health function
claim structure.
By-Health is now working on an extensive regulatory submission to the SAMR for Fruitflow, seeking to establish
a new permitted health function claim for foods such as Fruitflow"
To me, and I could be wrong, that says that they stopped work on Blue Cap to focus on the health function claim.
gixer
I get that. Is it your understanding we are applying (applied ?) for a blue cap for bp as well as changing the health claim register
- sorry for being painful but to me there is a lot of ambiguity in the messaging from IF on the BH front re exactly what bluecap(s) BH are going for.
W?
Nice one - thanks Gixer.
No wellsite, I am thinking if By-Health had went with the original plan to get Blue cap then all I could see from By-Health would have been the introduction of blood pressure products with Fruitflow.
They have now decided that a change to the health claim register is the way to go and to try and get an entry for platelet aggregation or similar. This will open up a whole range of products that by-health could introduce with FF.
The question is.... Once the health claim register is changed do B-H have to submit for Blue Cap for platelet aggregation or will the fact that they have used FF trials as evidence mean Blue Cap will be automatically added to FF.
BB, its from this SAMR Government Doc on the procedure.
https://gkml-samr-gov-cn.translate.goog/nsjg/fgs/201908/t20190820_306117.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
Dr Horrible : Where do the "prompt" and "timely manner" quotes come from ?
I don't remember seeing them in an RNS, and, though I could have missed them, I did a quick check and couldn't see them.
BB
gix
are you thinking FF wouldn't get a bluecap for BP as well as one for platelets ?
W?
I am hoping that BH are building up some customers for their FF distribution throughout this year, so that come Q1 next year, they have multiple other businesses onboard, not just their own products.
Hence recent deal with bi-health starting 2023. Let's hope approval is quick. No worries about cash as we have plenty for now
So in my mind, it is submission by the end of June, then it goes for approvals, which should be "prompt" and in a "timely manner'. So perhaps by around September? A few months to get approvals and agree release of the info?
From the Sept final results RNS
By-Health currently expects to be in a position to complete the last of its eight studies and file its regulatory submission to the SAMR for Fruitflow in the first half of 2022.
We know that they are aiming towards submitting an "anti-platelet effect" type health claim to be included in the health claim register. None of the claims on the register fit fruitflow except the blood pressure one but IMO getting blue cap for this would limit the products ff could be used in. What happens after by-health get the appropriate health claim is anyone's guess atm.
gix
we aren't exactly sure what BH have/are applying for as it is. BP function plus new function, or just new function ?
W$
By-Health currently expects to be in a position to complete the last of its eight studies in 2022, and it will file its regulatory submission to the SAMR for Fruitflow at the appropriate time, seeking to obtain a new permitted health function claim for foods such as Fruitflow that can demonstrate an anti-platelet effect. If By-Health is successful in obtaining a new permitted health function claim, it is currently expected that this would result in some significant orders for Fruitflow, potentially at a multiple of current total sales values.
pressed reply to early :)
Hypothetical question, What happens if By-Health decide to take Fruitflow down the drug route?
Will by-health drop the supplement health claim in favour of a drug claim or will submissions/ claims run together?
Lets hope the SAMR does act "promptly" and in a "timely manner" although the timing of the submission is a little vague atm.
Hypothetical question, What happens if By-Health decide to take Fruitflow down the drug route?
Sphinx,
I am inferring that from this document, articles 19 to 24 in particular.
https://gkml-samr-gov-cn.translate.goog/nsjg/fgs/201908/t20190820_306117.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
We know from the RNS that the scientific tests are performed by SAMR.
Dr Horrible you wrote “The approval is expected to be prompt”where did you read that , I’ve looked at the last few reports and can’t find it !
Kiev I’m not saying they are not selling ff+ only that to achieve the £21k increase in sells , the numbers we get doesn’t show the 34% increase , so that increase must be shown somewhere as it’s not showing in the order numbers we get !
Indeed.
"The Company’s Fruitflow+ Omega-3 direct selling business accounted for £76k of total revenue, a 34% increase in this business relative to the prior six month period (2020: £57k)."