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I had one vaccination and declined any more , me ex wife a brainwashed NHS practice nurse had the lot as did my son , daughter and their respective partners , they all got covid and my son had it twice. The whole thing reeks of mass brainwashing and control
Your comment “the vaxed are more likely to get it” is flawed. Yes in pure numbers more vaxed will get it than non vaxed. That is solely down to the amount of people who have been vaxed.
If there are 100 people and 90 are vaxed look at the numbers.
if 5 of the 10 non vaxed get it it’s a 50 % rate.
If 30 of the 90 vaxed get it it’s a 33% rate.
BUT People just say, more vaxed got it than not vaxed….. that’s obvious due to the high level.
Secondly, the vaccinations were never to stop you getting Covid. That’s impossible. They were to lessen the severity of the symptoms.
Anyway who cares. Bored of Covid now anyway.
I do not know the name even of mine, which shows how I rate their importance.
I avoided pouring cold water on those who were sincerely trying to help us all but past the point of no return now so.
you can `t write letters asking for help to people who hurt you and done that quite deliberately. It will make them feel better and give them a laugh but chances of help are zero. Yes as said the bankruptcy was done with ridiculous speed; can only be to make sure there is no escape. Despite all you are told Putin has gone slow and trying not to hurt civilians . If he had done what he may be about to, the war would have been long over and we would still be owners of a gold mine with the gold price about to take off.
One thing Law got right , we do not matter , we the original people that is. Maybe if Law was black he would have got a less abusive reply from Cleverley, who remarkably occupies one of the 3 top jobs in UK govt; the other two now remarkably are of the same hue. Who would have forecast that ? I do not think TYruss should have ever been near Pm but the fact remains she was ousted by a coup, chiefly done by the £ being driven down so far so fast.
I was listening to Marc Faber saying every politician in the west is corrupt. Kinda knew that ! Just the £ millions fraud of PPE, actually benefitting Han**** the health Sec in charge of it ;now the £65 million looting by Lady Mone -the sexy knickers empress ennobled by Cameron using the VIP channel. I was really surprised by the Guardian putting this out and it is open and shut. At the time she applied her company did not even exist but still who thinks ANYTHING will happen ?
Could write a book but just one more thing. The UK and other west govts and media are all cheering on the covid protestors in China ; remember how protestors here were and still are treated ? rather differently. Oz and Canada emprisoned theirs . Plus the dig that China vaccine is inferior to ours . Seems difficult since ours does nothing , figures even show that the vaxxed are more likely to get it than the terrorist unvaxxed but try telling that to the majority who are still irredeemably compliant.
Lawrence, I agree w
ith most of what you have said. So, non-of my comments are directed at your position. I absolutely agree that this business should never have been shunted through
Administration. leaving investors such as ourselves seemingly unable to challenge the main concerns. Even the auditors were left `out of pocket`.
I guess one of the main bones of contention, is what could be done about Putin. Maybe a letter to Mr Rushdey, the Prime minister. A Panorama type program should investigate these matters, possibly. Looking into the rules governing these matters, and the position regarding bondholder claims, might be a good starting point.
So Wilfred are you saying that a FTSE 250 company that was still producing and had a thirsty market for its product, deserved to go into immediate administration? I , myself and another shareholder were contacted by a firm who shall remain nameless at this point; and we were told that Opus had no need to rush through the sale of POGs assets whatsoever in fact the term this CEO used was " There was no burning deck" and that there was every reason to think the whole thing stank to high heaven. You also seem to be suggesting that out cabinet of globalist Tory ministers have no culpability in this who disgusting affair. You are WRONG !
this whole discussion seems to have gone berserk...
A few points...
Firstly, I agree the need to refer these matters to MPs to reassess the process whereby,
bona fide investors/shareholders are basically excluded from the process of settlement, where a business is pushed into administration, with little or no prospect of being heard and
having a fair hearing. Instead, you seem to end up with an unsatisfactory procedure which offers the bondholders a claim on all there `losses`, often rushed through to get things done quickly, and effectively bypassing the serious and reasonable requests of investors to have their concerns properly investigated.
Respect for yet another globalist who did their best to stick two fingers up to Putin; you have to be joking right? Non of the standard current political parties will stand up for the decent citizens, none.
Email I do share some respect for Sunak, though didn't agree with some of his Covid measures (and their lack of policing leading so easily to fraud), which has led to massive indebtedness for our children to deal with. He suffers lack of credibility with the greater population due to his wealth through his wife. Javid I like though I know others will disagree, between then they are the most financially astute current politicians I am aware of.
johnpwh
I never said this was a Brexit issue. I said the rabble of conservative party brexiteer members elected Johnson (who switched to Brexit so he would be elected leader at the last minute) and Truss (who switched to Brexit) to become PM... You might be no fan of Hunt - and neither am i.... But Johnson vs Hunt (a rabble rouser vs a sedate, calm methodical man-) and who the conservative rabble went for?... Truss vs Sunak (a complete inadequate incompetent vs someone methodical who knows what is doing ) and who the conservative rabble went for?.... I am no fan of any of these politicians - I am certainly no fan of the senseless conservative rabble in question here
Email
With respect I don't think this is a Brexit issue, and I am not a great fan of Jeremy Hunt. i would remind you that Liz Truss, probably our most appalling prime minister this century or last, was a Remainer until she did one of her famous changes of mind. I am truly struggling to see any good personalities/ talent/ integrity in the Tory party. As a lifelong Tory voter since October 1974 I have stated elsewhere, and will state again here, that I would rather spoil my next ballot paper than ever again vote for Conservatives who have shown themselves to be both corrupt and inept. I think we should have taken note, and lessons, from the lack of support for investors in Sirrius Minerals who the Johnson government threw to the dogs - despite the fact that many local (to the project) PIs had pretty much sunk their entire pensions savings in there. I do remain concerned with those nursing heavy losses here which is why I hope support will be given to them to adjust to this situation.
johnpwh
I do respect your view... But I firmly believe that Jeremy Hunt as PM instead of Boris Johnson the whole UK economy and the whole situation with Russia would have been far better... A bunch of conservative party brexit jingoistic nutcases have inflicted long lasting if not permanent damage to UK by electing Boris... And the conservative party members were going to do it all over again - and even better - by electing Liz Truss leader...
email
POG would not be in this position had Russia not invaded Ukraine, poured rockets on its cities, industry and power infrastructure and raped its women and children. The West reacted with sanctions which avoided an all out war in which we all would have been either horribly mutilated or simply annihilated due the imbalance of conventional forces and the ego of Putin. Although I agree that their support of private investors is severely lacking you cannot put all the blame on UK governments for confiscation of POG assets.
Let's be quite clear and direct, the (ir)responisble for Pog fatal massacre is not Putin and it's not Zelensky. These two, misguided or not, mad or sane, right or wrong, are trying to do what they believe is right for their countries. The chief responsible for our plight is only one: Boris Johnson. And the bunch of brexiters conservatives who elected Boris Johnson leader above Jeremy Hunt. Please stop bringing Putin and Zelensky and focus on who the real blame lies.
I feel bad for those who lost money on POG and I held it during the 80-100% pump days during the Istanbul-Minsk-2 talks which fell through due to NATO intervention and I do believe it would be sitting around 10p if we never stuck our noses in and Ukrainians wouldn't be suffering like this now with all the blackouts. The fatal Gazprombank sanction was also only issued by the UK, who felt it necessary to go further than other EU members, and from that moment the slow spiral of death ensued but it was still punctuated with the odd pump and dumps between 1-2p, however I bailed during the first warning about investors getting wiped out at 2.4p and that message was repeated again and again in follow up RNS right up to the last day. So yes I do believe the UK Government is responsible for losing everyone money here and its the first time I have ever seen them behave this way. Keeping the Donbass Ukrainian also has little strategic value to the UK, a peaceful handover wouldn't have caused this much damage globally. Polite emails also won't ever get the point across, they only respond to political influence and protest, hence why I paid the £20 to become a Conservative.
Hi Lawrence
Hard to know what to say without sounding patronising, which sadly it will almost inevitably will. That is genuinely not my intention.
I posted on here earlier this year after the invasion, dipped my toes in, got a bit singed and exited. I have lost more on others, and also had my successes. So I do know what you are feeling.
You have to come to terms with this, even though it seems, and is, grossly unfair. But you are battling against the establishment, governments and conflicts, and barring a miracle sadly you have to accept the situation. You can vent your spleen at me if you want, but I am concerned for you. You need to start to find a way forward post this fiasco, don't let it consume you further, enjoy the rest of your life even if your circumstances are reduced from what you had hoped. Would always be happy to talk. John
" It makes you wonder how many other stocks and therefore investors have suffered a similar fate to us."
Now that is a very relevant point and worth investigating, but you can be assured not one of the cabinet that implemented the sanctions lost one single penny
That is true but the ordinary share holder has been screwed; by the Russians is expected but not by our own government which is supposed to put its own citizens first. Yet you seem to to be pushing the line we should just shut up and be thankful we're not Ukrainian. I don't think conflating the two issues has any relevance here. The plight of the Ukrainians at the hand of Zelensky, Putin and nato countries has FA to do with the way our government crippled its own UK company
Apologies Lawrence123, only just noticed your other post. Totally agree the sanctions against POG probably benefited Putin and definitely not us. It makes you wonder how many other stocks and therefore investors have suffered a similar fate to us.
Lawrence13, you're not the chair/custodian/regulator of this chat forum, it's for all to use and share views (ideally in a polite way) I like yourself and many others have lost money in this stock and others stocks and we have the right to post our opinions too.
I'm definitely not lecturing, I'm just putting things into perspective and finding my own way of dealing with the financial loss.
Grappa , Who the F are you. You've just made two posts only recently and you're lecturing us about how grateful we should be that we are not Ukrainians. Well guess what , we aren't and our UK government has defecated all over us whilst they hold a virtuous banner above their protected ****'s. They sacrificed us , not themselves. Not one of these **** houses lost a f*(king penny of their own money as they knowingly gave t6he gold and plant to Putin Some effective sanctions, eh? So cease shilling for Opus and co and stay out of this
Grappa.
Who were the sanctions meant to hurt?
Who did the sanctions actually hurt?
Did Ukraine gain from the sanctions against POG?.
Yoo talk as if we should be grateful and accept our losses as they are nothing compared to the losses of many Ukrainians. What losses did the Tory Government cabinet ministers suffer in this great sacrifice for the Ukrainian people? ........................................................**** ALL
We as investors are suffering and there is no doubting that but there's a bigger picture here in that there are many millions more who don't have the luxury that we do to try and save for a better future. Totally agree and I'm gutted and angry regarding the money I have lost but hopefully all of us who invested here still can afford their gas and electric bills. Many can't and many of our European friends are displaced from their homes and families.
UK Share Holders Due to Government Policies Lose, Life Savings whilst UK Government
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via the charming and UK shareholder hating, UK Foreign Secretary Jame's Cleverly, give Zelensky taxpayers cash to feed his coke habit . Of course Mr James Charming Cleverly told me and other investors in the UK owned and FSTE 250 Petropavlovsk Plc ; that we knew the risk. I wonder if he said that to sniffer Zelensky when regardless of the consequences he he wanted Ukraine to join Nato, I doubt it.
Lawrence Jenkins
Volodymyr Zelensky Drug Addict? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zD2U53ZtOQ&ab_channel=NosyBee
Volodymyr Zelensky Drug Addict?
grappa, I wonder how you didn't realise Putin won your 80% of portfolio ofcourse mine as well with the help of elected Jokers issuing sanctions without considering impact to their-own citizens.....
What are you talking about Grappa, Putiin and his pals did win , they got company for sweet FA compared to what its really worth and all courtesy of our traitorous government