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LTI
"ffs - Have you STILL to learn - Buybacks will increase the price per share relartive to what it would otherwise be."
That is speculative and an unknown. Lloyds could have made limited buybacks to cover the Block listings, like they did under AHO and the price per share could still have been around the current 52p, with Lloyds having a higher Market Cap. In July 2015 there were over 71 Billion shares in issue, yet the price per share was over 80p, so evidence suggests that the link between shares in issue and the stock price aren't directly correlated; Look at Rolls Royce in March 2019, there were 1.9 Billion shares in issue and the stock price was in the region of 310p, today RR have 8.4 Billion shares in issue with a share price of 426p; No doubt people will speculate that RR's prospects are so much better now, but it was only really covid that battered RR and loaded them up with more debt, effectively putting the company on its knees.
However the market decides to value shares, it doesn't appear to be based purely on the number of shares in issue, historic pricing for Lloyds and RR shares proves that.
LTI, you should listen to John!
You might learn something!
LTI ,
"it is an open market - some investors like myself like to buy stock at low valuations."
You buying lloy at 83p when market cap was £86 BN makes a mockery of above statement .
Fleecy, I'll be going for The British Workers Party myself.
They too will upset the apple cart.
The problem with Reform UK is you just get the same failed policies, with a bit of rebranding thrown in.
''to fill the void, with their share of the UK market soaring to 57.7% by the end of 2022, up from 30.7% in 1998"
it is an open market - some investors like myself like to buy stock at low valuations.
Flec
''I would argue that the share buyback's have zero impact on the price of the stock''
ffs - Have you STILL to learn - Buybacks will increase the price per share relartive to what it would otherwise be.
With 76,638,729,101 shares in issue the current price per share would be many pennies lower.
I would argue that the share buyback's have zero impact on the price of the stock, since the market's no longer appear to value stock's on fundamentals. The Government are either incompetent, or they're dancing to the tune of their masters in City; The best they can come up with is the British ISA, what a complete joke and waste of time. The Government should be pulling every lever to encourage domestic investment into UK stocks, like dropping the British ISA and raising the ISA limit on the standard ISA, but restricting ISA's to UK listed stocks only. They should also give other tax incentives for domestic institutional investment into UK stocks, but they either don't care or they're clueless.
"The reasons for this dramatic shift are multifaceted. The allure of higher returns from investments overseas has increasingly drawn investors away from the UK market. Additionally, changes in pension fund regulations have prompted a cautious move towards less risky assets, diminishing the appeal of equities generally. As domestic investors retreat from the UK market, foreign investors have stepped in to fill the void, with their share of the UK market soaring to 57.7% by the end of 2022, up from 30.7% in 1998"
https://www.standard.co.uk/business/uk-shares-lse-scm-direct-b1148409.html
You have to wonder why the Government is scared to encourage UK investors to invest in their home country, it's as if they want the UK stock market to fail.
"It’s very telling when even the pension fund for Britain's MPs and Ministers invests a mere 1.7% in UK-listed companies, which appears to indicate they do not have confidence in UK equities and companies. A catch 22 situation."
I'm voting Reform at the next Election, I'm disillusioned with both Labour and Conservative politicians, I believe the country needs a radical shakeup.
MP
'' do you know how the market cap has been impacted??''
???
the Lloyds market valuation is the market Lloyds market valuation.
The price per share based on the market valuation, will be determined by the number of shares in issue
LTI - very interesting - do you know how the market cap has been impacted??
''The current Total Voting rights are 63,716,020,308.''
Without share buybacks there would currently be 76,638,729,101 shares in issue
''The current Total Voting rights are 63,716,020,308.''
Without share buybacks there would currently be 76,638,729,101 shares in issue
The current Total Voting rights are 63,716,020,308.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS0oSavIsBjHgD7k6NMyk7Z591Cm2IrevvLI-Jq95gOmESrOI0Vi_NhA8LIO9rMz90Y5zCOCoFuEItG/pubchart?oid=1812824850&format=interactive
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS0oSavIsBjHgD7k6NMyk7Z591Cm2IrevvLI-Jq95gOmESrOI0Vi_NhA8LIO9rMz90Y5zCOCoFuEItG/pubchart?oid=1451011517&format=interactive