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Mick-b
3 million children in poverty the highest ever!
The ever from when last year, 1950, 1940, 1930, 1920 ?
Are you equating so called poverty today with past poverty?
3 million children from a population of 70 million for get government figures that even thy can not prove and admit it on our population, The population in the 1940s was around 45million an there was real poverty then my parents grew up in it. Children died then through the combined effects of poor diet, poor housing poor health care, do not insult my parents generation you shxt. They started work at 14 yrs of age my grand parents started work at 12 years of age, poor diets out side toilets no hot water no proper baths only a tin bath that they took turns bathing in the same water.
Most poverty to day has been imported . the rise in rickets in the Asian population the return of TB again via immigrants .
Tell me how many houses have out side toilets and no baths or no hot water today, how many starving do you see walking the streets?
My parents and others never saw meat, they lived on muck, offal -pigs trotters, cows lips and lugs, tripe .
And when they dinned on muck Labour and Tory politicians dinned on steak !
During the 1930s Bevan the so called great Welsh Labour minister dined at the Ritz Hotel.
All through rationing of WW2 the wealthy including Churchill never lost a pound in weight neither did the then Queen .
My late father said the first time he had a bed with blanket's and three meals per day was when he was conscripted in 1940.And that would have applied to others parents and grandparents of those whom contribute to this board.
Poverty today =s fast food , Iphones , lap tops and a school run, mothers to fat and lazy to cook and no fathers names on the birth certificate .
Why even Angela Rayner MP, the girl who was pregnant at 16 yrs and got a council house which she bought cheap moans about being poor! but kept her £48000 profit secret for years.
There is a statistical definition of 'Poverty' used by UK government that compares a poorer group relative to the
standard of life' achieved by someone on average income.
That means that it is almost impossible to eradicate 'Poverty'.
Its a bit like saying everyone should have an income above the average.
And your point is?
I know a girl living on benefits.
She claims she can't work due to 'mental health issues' which is complete b0ll0cks and is basically the new 'bad back' for the chronically lazy.
She deliberately (just my opinion but I'm sticking to it) got herself pregnant twice
She has a house paid for by us
She has disability allowance paid for by us
She has income for each of the children paid by us and the father
The grandmother of her children works in the Jobs and Benefits office and recently told us she has an income equivalent to earning well over £20k so with all the benefits she could never earn more by working.
She spends more money on cigarettes, Tattoos, bottox and having her nails done than many do on food.
And recently she started taking driving lessons as she plans to get a car on mobility!!!!!
I would like to know how many of the people in the UK currently classed as 'in poverty' have a contract for a new mobile phone and how much they are paying.
And how many are paying for Amazon Prime, Netflix, Sky etc.
And how many go on holiday to Spain regularly
Alibro
"I would like to know how many of the people in the UK currently classed as 'in poverty' have a contract for a new mobile phone and how much they are paying. "
"And how many are paying for Amazon Prime, Netflix, Sky etc. "
"And how many go on holiday to Spain regularly"
I think the numbers would shock us all - You would think the "benefit office" would be able to check out some, if not all of the "living styles" you have listed above - post the election Labour will cheerfully enhance these benefits, it is in their DNA.
"I think the numbers would shock us all - You would think the "benefit office" would be able to check out some, if not all of the "living styles" you have listed above - post the election Labour will cheerfully enhance these benefits, it is in their DNA."
I think if you have ever been to Benidorm (or similar) and seen the tattoo'd low life's, lying up, drinking and smoking (or vaping) around the pool you wouldn't be even slightly surprised.
MPO818 - " - post the election Labour will cheerfully enhance these benefits, it is in their DNA."
So would the Tories who have reigned over this state of affairs, not to mention the general disastrous state of the Country.
CHF - as a lifelong Tory, with much regret I must agree with your comment, CHF, the CINOs have indeed presided over complete destruction of the work ethic in the UK, and indeed it now pays most low end unskilled people to just bleed the welfare system white. Of course, LIEbour will be worse, it'll be just more of the same on steroids, but hopefully the electoral decimation which the Tories will undoubtedly suffer will be sufficient to bring them back to being the party of work, entrepreneurship and capitalism (sad that it has to come down to hope that the Tories will eventually remember what it means to be a Conservative, or just a conservative, either would be a vast improvement on their current champagne socialist, libdim-lite policies.)
What utter rubbish. You think there is something virtuous about poverty in the past? Poverty is poverty, it's all relative to the times we live in. So somebody on benefits runs a car. What do you think they should get, a horse? If the Tories hadn't wiped out public transport - trains & buses - the young could get to college and afford to take lower paid jobs. If they hadn't wiped out all the industries there would be factory jobs for lower skilled people. What jobs are there for them? Overseas factories wiped them all out and AI will come after the next tier. Money spent on benefits is a fraction of what is wasted by government on useless projects - HS2, Carriers, PPE etc etc. Lets stop triple lock pensions for a start. Much easier to blame the local young thicko that "somebody knows" though. And no, i'm not a "champagne socialist" whatever the hell that is.
Re - DonkeyOatey - as regards Labour and things getting worse - I tend to agree with Nigel Farage when he says - ' How much worse can it get' ? '
Tories worst actions ( where to start ?) - making a Labour government certain has got to be included.
I resigned from Tory Party some months back and am not a member of any Party now
I think the Conservatives deserve permanent decimation and to be replaced by Reform as an authentic Centre-Right Party.
There's nothing "centre-right" about Reform UK CUPHALFULL. The whole point is that they have positioned themselves to the right of the Tories who are swinging way to the right themselves (after the fairly centrist, strange as it may seem, Johnson). A party -sorry, limited company - with Farage on the board isn't going to be "centre-right"
Don’t know enough to comment on politics. But voting for reform is helping labour. That much I know. I don’t know what to do comes autumn.
Join the Tory party and have your say. Lack of participation in grassroots is ruining things. 1970s Tory membership was 2m? Now 200k
"Join the Tory party and have your say." Of all the things you've ever said that I disagreed with, Greener, this has to be one of the silliest - have your say? The last time the Tory membership at large "had their say" they rejected the current idiot squatting in 10 Downing Street and picked Unlucky Liz, who was practically whisked out of office before she'd even had her name hung on a shingle (and they blamed her for every problem Britain has ever had from the Black Death until her last day in office!) At least under her leadership and economic plans, Britain would've been aiming for private sector growth, but don't anyone tell Rabid Rachel that reducing the top rate of income tax actually brings more in for HM Treasury, we wouldn't want reality to get in the way of a virtue-signaling "eat the rich" campaign. I'm ashamed to say that I voted for the current party in government (never again, that's for sure.) I thoroughly reject the notion that "voting for Reform helps LIEbour"; even if it produces a socialist Qweir government, at least it will be more "honest" (cf the leftist, greeny socialists masquerading as the Conservative party.)
Hmm. The point was - if the Tory membership had 2m more sensible members, better leadership choices would be made. You get the democracy you deserve - no one gives a monkeys so we get monkeys
Disagree with you Buchanan 101 about the current Tory Party - the political beliefs of at least 1/3 of Tory MPs are to the left of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. At least 2/3 of current Tory MPs would happily serve under Blair or Gordon Brown.
The number of Tory MPs that hold what might be called ' traditional Tory political convictions' is low, maybe 15% of them. The idea the Party is turning right is for the birds - Tory voters know that and are deserting.
The idea the Tory Party