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Aus
Visas are not required within EU countries.
Long says - “ Aus
''Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions''
Who ever said without conditions?
I said that an EU citizen does not have to leave the UK after 3 months.
Is this now clear to you?”
I didn’t say EU citizens can’t stay for extended periods, actually I’m saying the opposite that the U.K. government doesn’t apply conditions to stay, but they could. If they wanted to
Of course people who have made their lives in the U.K. should be allowed to stay. What do you want to do.... put them in concentration camps?
Aus
'' your point is?''
For about the 10th time. An EU citizen does not have to leave after 3 months
Long says - If you have lived legally, meeting the conditions to stay in another EU country, for a continuous period of 5 years you automatically acquire the right of permanent residence there. This means that you can stay in the country as long as you want
Exactly right, if you visited a country on a visa, meet their conditions, get a job, maybe married, extend the visa then after an extended visit apply to stay and make it your home..... your point is?
My friends just done same thing in Australia
So are you so confused you don’t think any foreigners should be allowed to stay? You’re still making fool out of yourself
Aus
Clear now?
It would be difficult to have been in a EU country for a continuous 5 years if you had to leave after 3 months wouldn't it.
If you have lived legally, meeting the conditions to stay in another EU country, for a continuous period of 5 years you automatically acquire the right of permanent residence there. This means that you can stay in the country as long as you want
Long - I feel sorry for you. So plain language that you could read if you try
Since 2004, European Union law has allowed governments to control movements of EU citizens as follows: allow EU citizens to freely circulate only for three months and then require them (should they want to stay longer) to show they are working (employed or self-employed), a registered student or have sufficient resources (pension, savings) to support themselves and comprehensive sickness insurance eg a valid European health insurance card enabling the NHS to claim back the cost of treatment or have private health insurance. The UK is one of the few governments that has not implemented this.
(See it’s a bit like a visa, the conditions applied in this example allow that kind of a visa get extended, in the same way similar conditions might allow for an actual visa to be extended)
I know you won’t because it’s inconvenient to find out you’ve been made a fool of
Article 49 of the treaty of Rome also explains how EU immigration can be controlled
Aus
''Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions''
Who ever said without conditions?
I said that an EU citizen does not have to leave the UK after 3 months.
Is this now clear to you?
Love it when thick people call you thick
Long says “ EU citizens do not require a visa to come to the EU, so there has been no time restriction to their stay.
You really are thick”
Freedom of movement agreements acts like a visa for EU citizens going to an EU country. It’s a right to this treaty based visa.
Like a visa this treaty agreement only applies for 3 months. After that period, there are no rights to come and go or remain.
Shall we try this again. I think it explains quite well you just need to read the words & try to remember them long enough to form a sentence
“ Thirdly, EU law does not provide nationals from other EU Member States with an unlimited right to enter or remain in the UK. Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions or formalities only lasts for three months”
Aus
''Eu citizens who have been here for years''
Been here for more than 3 months. Well I Never
Long - Eu citizens who have been here for years are applying to stay. They will be accepted because those are the “conditions” U.K. government is applying
Do you know where Germany is or Belgium. If you were an EU citizen you can’t stay unless you have 3 months funding available for you to Access. If you don’t have a job after 3 months you might get sent home. Those are the “conditions” they apply.
The U.K. government that reads Gov - ern. - meant does not apply these conditions or any other, except from 2020 7 years before benefits & child allowance paid equivalent to their home country payment....
It’s almost like I’m a treaty lawyer or something
to the UK
Aus
''You still seem confused. You describe entering as in I can enter nearly any country in the world.... ''
No. A lot of countries would require a visa for you to stay for any period of time. You are expected to leave that country before the visa runs out.
EU citizens do not require a visa to come to the EU, so there has been no time restriction to their stay.
You really are thick
Aus
''right to live in the UK without any conditions ''
Yes we can chuck out criminals.
You are getting desperate.
For the nth time. EU nationals do not have to leave the UK after 3 months.
I’ve pinched this but here goes..
We now live in a country where those on a £1000 and hour have persuaded those on £12 an hour that those on £7 an hour are the real problem .
Sad but true
Long - so you didn’t read. Shall we try again
“ Thirdly, EU law does not provide nationals from other EU Member States with an unlimited right to enter or remain in the UK. Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions or formalities only lasts for three months”
You still seem confused. You describe entering as in I can enter nearly any country in the world.... even place far far away like Australia (but not la la land or lego land)
We are talking about immigration. That reads like Imm - E - gra- sion. I’ve given you the definition for that long word haven’t I?
Okay so let’s go over this again. U.K. checks everyone coming and going because we have borders & control of our borders, even for EU citizens, this is because ain’t in Schengen
Still with me?
This allows for U.K. border force to monitor and then control who comes and goes
Freedom of movement without conditions only lasts for 3 months
Try this again
“ Thirdly, EU law does not provide nationals from other EU Member States with an unlimited right to enter or remain in the UK. Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions or formalities only lasts for three months”
Germany for instance regularly deports EU citizens who don’t have a job
That very very bad man Farage lied to you. I know it hurts but.
So are we clear. Differences between entering, holiday, business visit etc & immigration staying to live......
The U.K. can control immigration to different degrees but chooses not to. Immigration from non EU ( that’s the bit EU has no agreement with us) is far higher. That’s another big word meaning more.
So EU citizens are not the pretend problem, if they were, freedom of movement or rights to enter or stay without conditions only applies to their first 3 months, that 1 year divided by 4. In other words 3 months 90 days if you prefer.
Do you think you can go and satisfy yourself of this fact or do you need me to help you find it?
BP
''You're acting a lot like a stalker LTI.''
Just shutting up an idiot up who thinks that an EU citizen hasn't been able to stay in the UK for more than 3 months
Aus
It appears that EU citizens in the UK now,post Brexit will even be allowed to stay for more than 3 months . In fact as long as they like. Funny that
Aus
EU citizens must get fed up having to leave the UK every 3 months. Do they leave for just a day?
You are a joker
Aus
''You can apologise to me ''
Are you having a laugh?
There hasn't been a time restriction after which an EU citizen has to leave the UK.
Understand?
Waiting for your apology
You're acting a lot like a stalker LTI.
Aus
''Freedom of movement only applies for three months it like a visa''
The following individuals can enter the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man without a visa:
As of right
United Kingdom British Nationals who are European Union citizens: British citizens
British Overseas Territories citizens deriving their statuses from Gibraltar
British subjects with the right of abode in the United Kingdom
Citizens of Commonwealth countries who have the right of abode in the United Kingdom under the Immigration Act 1971
Republic of Ireland Irish citizens under the Common Travel Area
European Union All European Union citizens
Citizens of EFTA member states
Zib - it’s every where, it’s like Farage, Bannon, Johnson et'all have opened the doors to their university of misinformation for stupid to get an education in wrong
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out really clever people across many independently elected governments over decades & then multiplied by 28 other countries all conclude being in the EU is in their countries interest (including the U.K. government)
Some people based on no knowledge can listen to insidious agendas suddenly know better?
If it wasn’t so tragic it would be funny
AUS thanks for your input and that of BP. This BB has been taken over recently by a barrage of fake news, innuendo and outright false hood.... If I wasn't so cynical I'd be sure it was Bonkers himself lol..
Long - making a fool out of yourself
Freedom of movement only applies for three months it like a visa
Something else for you to not read
“ Thirdly, EU law does not provide nationals from other EU Member States with an unlimited right to enter or remain in the UK. Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions or formalities only lasts for three months”
That’s from EU law directly. You can apologise to me and your country when ever you like.