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S123
''go on admit it ''
nothing to admit, i have already stated at 12:48
S123
''very unhappy with the share price performance''
you can blame shareholders who are currently willing to sell at under 45p and not blame the 8-£9 Billion of underlying profits that Lloyds make.
As I said, we all have different objectives, I for one and there is many more than you and SUFC on this forum who are very unhappy with the share price performance, I still have share save shares at £3+!! simples, my objectives and views are different than yours and even the positive SUFC gets fed up from time to time :)) And I think you do too.. go on admit it just the once :)0
S123
People such as Sufc have no fear - ever increasing percentage ownership of Lloyds
S123
''they are simply not doing enough to make the company attractive to new and existing shareholders to buy/hold more stock for fear of it simply not rising, going down again again and again.''
I believe currently Lloyds are making between 8-£9 Billion a year underlying profits - the current market cap is about £28 Billion.
Attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder - it looks attractive to me
''for fear ''
shareholder fear - what has that got to do with the BOD's.
it is shareholders that determine the price - if no shareholder was willing to sell for under 50p then the share price would rise to 50p
We all have different objectives LTI, no one can deny the share price has been low for a very long time..
I know what I mean LTI, the share price is an insult to long standing shareholders, the BoD are paid millions in salary etc to represent shareholders and they are simply not doing enough to make the company attractive to new and existing shareholders to buy/hold more stock for fear of it simply not rising, going down again again and again.. Or being taxed out of the high street existence to offset higher taxes and reduction in footfall, that the governments do not want.. Or so they say.. !!
S123
I would not be insulted to see Lloyds maintain profitability and maintaining a price of 45p per share whilst maintaining £2 Billion worth of share repurchases each year. I would be extremely happy with that.
S123
a share purchaser of Lloyds at 45p would not be insulted -it would be the price they were happy to pay
S123
''Lloyds is clearly unattractive to the market LTI or the price would be higher''
you mean shareholders/traders do not want to pay a lot more, so how can it be an insult to them?
Lloyds is clearly unattractive to the market LTI or the price would be higher, the price is dictated by the market as you rightly point out.. The B.o.D need to act to make the share more attractive a 6% yield and £2B BB each year is clearly not good enough for the market!
S123
''the share price is embarrassing to the BoD, insulting to shareholders''
??
it is shareholders doing the buying and selling that determine the price
Sub 40p, you’ll learn! (probably)
Landlords destroying the economy, Ukraine and China….
this will sink as and when the time comes.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/china-s-economy-faces-apocalyptic-collapse-that-will-shatter-major-global-stock-markets/ar-AA1hvR9D?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=1eca74c2a4cc4c4699f420e469f25fd1&ei=19
Morning SUFC,
All good here mate, hope you are too!
Totally agree on dividend but the share price is embarrassing to the BoD, insulting to shareholders and the markets are insulting our intelligence based on a business that makes £6-£8B profit.
But it is what it is mate, if it goes back to 54p like it did at the beginning of the year, I will sell down some more. Gets frustrating whatching others companies go up ie Rolls Royce etc.
Suf
Yes you are correct Lloyds is just divi income now. It's a waiting game for SP improvement, probably a long one.
suf, ***, sean, tf, tof, etc… jobs!
get some!
Sub 40p.
Morning seany123
Hope you OK mate
I don't believe even the like Mad Mick or Catnip or Gazza would honestly believe Lloyds Banking Group is not cheap at 44p IMHO
Since COVID I've increase my holding by over 100,000 Lloyds Beauty's in the retirement portfolio ( Regardless Pension regular income Fund )
As I see it, I be loaded even when Lloyds this hits 63p again IMHO in 6 months or 6 years
Doesn't matter really as said Dividend here is OK and Long Term investors been paid for their patience here
KEEP THE FAITH fellow Black Beauty Investors :-)
The dividend is the only thing keeping the light on SUFC, your right there mate!!
Everyone else has gone home!! Especially the B.o.D members, may as well of done anyway..
Will the share price rise, mmmm?? maybe when the Election is well in the rear view mirror if any transparency to profit raiding is given either way, if there is a raid, forget the share price for ever..
Personally given up the the share price these days
Its all about dividend income for me
Lloyds Dividend is keeping the light on :-)
Share price will rise again in her own time
"This week's observation - flattish week for all bank stocks".....
"A very basic comparison that does not include divi yield, IMO those still suggesting Lloy is 'the worst share ever' or a 'dire share' should maybe consider Premium Bonds."
"A very basic comparison indeed Asp1 but compared to the selections Lloyds has failed on every account. Some may call it 'dire', not me. I'm well in profit on my Lloyds investment and like you are looking to further my investment.
Just saying.
Started this fantasy portfolio in 2016 to challenge various poster's perception that Lloy is 'the worst share ever', 'better else where' or a 'dire share',
8th Oct 2016 I invited WL/Newchurch to choose an alternative ftse 100 company so I could run a comparison, since 2016 others have been added
On 8th Oct 2016 - - 1000 quid bought 206 BP. shares & 1905 Lloy shares
Today's value, BP. 206@531 =£1094 v Lloy 1905@44.4 =£846
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In April 2017 Invest4life suggested I add Glencore - - On 22-4-17 - 1000 quid bought 335 Glen shares & 1553 Lloy shares
Today's value, Glen 335@470 =£1574 v Lloy 1553@44.4 =£690
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In July 2017 Nucky suggested I add RBS/Natwest - - On 12-7-17 1000 quid bought 384 NWG & 1512 Lloy
Today's value, NWG 384@236 =£906 v Lloy 1512@44.4 =£671
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In July 2017 Utrickytrees asked that I add BARC - - On 30-7-17 1000 quid bought 479 Barc & 1504 Lloy
Today's value Barc 479@159 =£761 v Lloy 1504@44.4 = £668
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In Sept 2018 Motley Fool recommended Diageo over Lloyds - - On 9-9-18 1000 quid bought 37.3 DGE & 1704 Lloy
Today's value, DGE 37.3@3034 =£1132 v Lloy 1704@44.4 =£757
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In April 2020 Theosus asked that I add Circassia - - On 14-4-20 £1000 bought 3891 CIR/NIOX & 3058 Lloy
Today's value, NIOX 3891@67 =£2607 v Lloy 3058@44.4 =£1358
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In April 2020 TheBoard asked that I add RollsRoyce - - On 25-4-20 £1000 bought 322 RR. (post 10for3RI 1073) & 3367 Lloy
Today's value, RR. 1073@221 =£2371 v Lloy 3367@44.4 =£1495
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This week's observation - flattish week for all bank stocks, Russia/Ukraine hostilities rattle on - Cost of living continues to bite, Strikes strikes strikes, School girl murder, iconic tree felled, HS2, 20mph,
A very basic comparison that does not include divi yield, IMO those still suggesting Lloy is 'the worst share ever' or a 'dire share' should maybe consider Premium Bonds.
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1st Real deal, 30-3-20 I bought 15,000 Lloy @ 33.606 = £5040
Current value - Lloy 15000 @45.3 = £6660 = +32% over ~42 months
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2nd real deal, 4-3-22 I bought 8,500 Lloy @ 44 = £3740
Current value - Lloy 8500 @44.4 = £3774 = +1% over ~18 months
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3rd real deal, 13-6-22 I bought 11,500 Lloy @ 42.66 = £4940
Current value - Lloy 11500 @44.4 = £5106 = +3.4% over ~15 months
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5th real deal, 4-5-23 I bought 30,000 Lloy @ 46.24 = £13872
Current value - Lloy 30,000 @44.4 = £13320 = -4% over ~16wks
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25,000 Buy order in place if/when SP drops to 42.9 gap fill
Started this fantasy portfolio in 2016 to challenge various poster's perception that Lloy is 'the worst share ever', 'better else where' or a 'dire share',
8th Oct 2016 I invited WL/Newchurch to choose an alternative ftse 100 company so I could run a comparison, since 2016 others have been added
On 8th Oct 2016 - - 1000 quid bought 206 BP. shares & 1905 Lloy shares
Today's value, BP. 206@526 =£1084 v Lloy 1905@45.3 =£863
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In April 2017 Invest4life suggested I add Glencore - - On 22-4-17 - 1000 quid bought 335 Glen shares & 1553 Lloy shares
Today's value, Glen 335@455 =£1524 v Lloy 1553@45.3 =£703
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In July 2017 Nucky suggested I add RBS/Natwest - - On 12-7-17 1000 quid bought 384 NWG & 1512 Lloy
Today's value, NWG 384@238 =£914 v Lloy 1512@45.3 =£685
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In July 2017 Utrickytrees asked that I add BARC - - On 30-7-17 1000 quid bought 479 Barc & 1504 Lloy
Today's value Barc 479@155 =£742 v Lloy 1504@45.3 = £681
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In Sept 2018 Motley Fool recommended Diageo over Lloyds - - On 9-9-18 1000 quid bought 37.3 DGE & 1704 Lloy
Today's value, DGE 37.3@3154 =£1176 v Lloy 1704@45.3 =£772
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In April 2020 Theosus asked that I add Circassia - - On 14-4-20 £1000 bought 3891 CIR/NIOX & 3058 Lloy
Today's value, NIOX 3891@74.4 =£2895 v Lloy 3058@45.3 =£1385
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In April 2020 TheBoard asked that I add RollsRoyce - - On 25-4-20 £1000 bought 322 RR. (post 10for3RI 1073) & 3367 Lloy
Today's value, RR. 1073@221 =£2371 v Lloy 3367@45.3 =£1525
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This week's observation - turbulent week for all bank stocks, Russia/Ukraine hostilities rattle on - Cost of living continues to bite, Strikes strikes strikes, Sunak revises Net Zero dates, Starmer offered 'tier4 back-door' into the EU, Russel Brand scandal, HS2, King visits France.
A very basic comparison that does not include divi yield, IMO those still suggesting Lloy is 'the worst share ever' or a 'dire share' should maybe consider Premium Bonds.
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1st Real deal, 30-3-20 I bought 15,000 Lloy @ 33.606 = £5040
Current value - Lloy 15000 @45.3 = £6759 = +34% over ~42 months
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2nd real deal, 4-3-22 I bought 8,500 Lloy @ 44 = £3740
Current value - Lloy 8500 @45.3 = £3850 = +3% over ~18 months
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3rd real deal, 13-6-22 I bought 11,500 Lloy @ 42.66 = £4940
Current value - Lloy 11500 @45.3 = £5210 = +5.5% over ~15 months
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4th real deal, 28-9-22 I bought 7,000 Lloy @ 41.97 = £2962
Sold 22-9-23 7,000@45.6=£3192 - Profit=£230 +7.8% ~12months
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5th real deal, 4-5-23 I bought 30,000 Lloy @ 46.24 = £13872
Current value - Lloy 30,000 @45.3 = £13590 = -2% over ~15wks
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6th real deal - 25-8-23 I bought 16,000 Lloy @ 41.8 = £6729
Sold 22-9-23 16,000@45.6 = £7248 - Profit = £519 +7.7% ~4wks
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25,000 Buy order in place if/when SP drops to 42.9 gap fill
@Fantasy portfolio.
This portfolio is skewed. I think the perfectly valid “Lloyds dire share” viewpoint is mainly based on comparing todays SP, to the SP around 1998 to 2008, among most other previous dates, when the SP was far higher than it is now.
The long term SP trend here is very much in decline, largely to be expected when the board here get free shares each year.
Started this fantasy portfolio in 2016 to challenge various poster's perception that Lloy is 'the worst share ever', 'better else where' or a 'dire share',
8th Oct 2016 I invited WL/Newchurch to choose an alternative ftse 100 company so I could run a comparison, since 2016 others have been added
On 8th Oct 2016 - - 1000 quid bought 206 BP. shares & 1905 Lloy shares
Today's value, BP. 206@523 =£1077 v Lloy 1905@43.2 =£823
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In April 2017 Invest4life suggested I add Glencore - - On 22-4-17 - 1000 quid bought 335 Glen shares & 1553 Lloy shares
Today's value, Glen 335@456 =£1528 v Lloy 1553@43.2 =£671
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In July 2017 Nucky suggested I add RBS/Natwest - - On 12-7-17 1000 quid bought 384 NWG & 1512 Lloy
Today's value, NWG 384@237 =£910 v Lloy 1512@43.2 =£653
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In July 2017 Utrickytrees asked that I add BARC - - On 30-7-17 1000 quid bought 479 Barc & 1504 Lloy
Today's value Barc 479@161 =£771 v Lloy 1504@43.2 = £650
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In Sept 2018 Motley Fool recommended Diageo over Lloyds - - On 9-9-18 1000 quid bought 37.3 DGE & 1704 Lloy
Today's value, DGE 37.3@3162 =£1179 v Lloy 1704@43.2 =£736
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In April 2020 Theosus asked that I add Circassia - - On 14-4-20 £1000 bought 3891 CIR/NIOX & 3058 Lloy
Today's value, NIOX 3891@70 =£2724 v Lloy 3058@43.2 =£1321
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In April 2020 TheBoard asked that I add RollsRoyce - - On 25-4-20 £1000 bought 322 RR. (post 10for3RI 1073) & 3367 Lloy
Today's value, RR. 1073@227 =£2436 v Lloy 3367@43.2 =£1454
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This week's observation - turbulent few weeks for all bank stocks, Russia/Ukraine hostilities rattle on - Cost of living continues to bite, Strikes strikes strikes, XL bully dogs, china spy, immigration
A very basic comparison that does not include divi yield, IMO those still suggesting Lloy is 'the worst share ever' or a 'dire share' should maybe consider Premium Bonds.
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1st Real deal, 30-3-20 I bought 15,000 Lloy @ 33.606 = £5040
Current value - Lloy 15000 @43.2 = £6480 = +28% over ~40 months
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2nd real deal, 4-3-22 I bought 8,500 Lloy @ 44 = £3740
Current value - Lloy 8500 @43.2 = £3672 = -1.8% over ~16 months
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3rd real deal, 13-6-22 I bought 11,500 Lloy @ 42.66 = £4940
Current value - Lloy 11500 @43.2 = £4968 = =0.5% over ~13 months
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4th real deal, 28-9-22 I bought 7,000 Lloy @ 41.97 = £2962
Current value - Lloy 7000 @43.2 = £3024 = +2% over ~12 months
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5th real deal, 4-5-23 I bought 30,000 Lloy @ 46.24 = £13872
Current value - Lloy 30,000 @43.2 = £12960 = -6.6% over ~14wks
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6th real deal - 25-8-23 I bought 16,000 Lloy @ 41.8 = £6729
Current value - Lloy 16,000 @43.2 = £6912 = +2.7% over ~3wks