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"The CFO will be sitting on around a 280k paper loss, less his divs. Not the best buy."
It's only a loss, or gain, when you sell.
“Were you on the single malt this morning”
We were as the Nikkei did as predicted - which suggest...... fill in the answers.
"Fleccy, You've just got to stop deliberately upsetting every visitor to this board. You're doing it on purpose aren't you? You're making them ill with worry."
Velo was you on the Single Malt this morning?
BT?
I wouldn’t worry about the downside risk. You won’t lose your shirt, but you may not get your coat back for some time. lol
BT appear to have the habit of both annoying and surprising their ‘loyal’ investors in equal measures. The company itself won’t care as they are hardly likely to be Railtracked.
But then what do I know? Or care for that matter.
I’ve got another bottle of Malt to win.
Au revoir.
“You will have to explain that one to me.....”
I think the markets would rather everyone just buried their heads in the sand for 10 minutes while the clocks are reset back to 2009. Lower interest rates; pump in more money; ad infinitum. You can’t keep pulling the same old trick, but who cares? As long as the wheel keeps spinning, the players keep playing and the house keeps winning then that is all that matters. Otherwise it gets too political, and governments don’t like to be seen as impotent in the face of a crisis. The markets understand that.
" A couple of posters have been recommending people jump in BT for months now,"
Eh? Really?
Care to copy'n'paste one of these "couple of posters" 'jump in' recommendations, who've been doing so "for months"?
I've not seen any confident direct recommendations to "jump in".
- Anyone else?
Seriously anyone out there reading this and agree with the fantasist about being recommended to jump in blindly, and therefore I've innocently missed those recommendations?
Everybody comes over as quite concerned to me. They KNOW the price is sinking and you play on their natural fears with your conspiracy theories hyped-up to fever pitch level. It's natural to believe a scapegoat is responsible, instead of taking a look in the mirror at one's own errors.
And you're the pied piper of blaming shadowy conspiracy figures, thus finding others only too willing to follow your fairy tale nonsense!
You really must try and differentiate between your imagination/fantasies and real life - and actually make an attempt to comprehend what you read, instead of projecting your fantasies on to the posts of others.
Fleccy, You've just got to stop deliberately upsetting every visitor to this board. You're doing it on purpose aren't you? You're making them ill with worry.
They are compelled to tell you, that you are investing incorrectly. They all, all of them, know better than you and yet you refuse to do as they instruct you to do. Time and time again!
How often must you be told? How many times?
They clearly know you are a complete innocent and they are only trying to help - so, unsolicited, they tell you how you should really be investing - their way - or it's the highway for you!
They tell you how to invest because each one of them is a successful investing billionaire and they gather as a herd to tell you endlessly, that you can't carry on investing the way you do. You must copy their way.
No if's, no but's. Their way!
Stop upsetting them!
Apologise to them all, admit they know better than you, and you didn't understand what you were doing, but now they've told you, you'll be a better man for it. You know you'll feel better telling them they are right and you are wrong, it's all they want to hear from you; your gratitude to them.
But most of all, it will make their chests swell with pride as they stride away smiling and saying to themselves:
"Ahh another one put back on the straight and narrow; we just love telling strangers where they're fkd up in life. It makes our day".
Bobetts
“You've changed your tune a bit Toff. I mentioned getting in at £1.20 a month or so ago and you thought that was preposterous. “
There’re clues in the shareprice. And those clues would point to there being a worm in the Apple. I didn’t think it would fall to these levels but now it has I can easily see £1 - by the beginning of May.
I envy you because you’re not in BT. If you’ve been in an Uber-dog share that falls precipitously day in and day out, you’ll know what I mean. It’s no fun watching your capital endlessly eroding.
A couple of posters have been recommending people jump in BT for months now, but you have to wonder at their motive. You can’t believe anything you read on these boards, for all we know they might have got in at a fiver and just want others to share their misery. And as for believing those who claim to be buying tens of thousands of pounds worth of shares every five minutes Well that’s complete fabrication, and anyone who believes that is fair game to fake bitcoin scammers.
I’m in BT - yes - but I didn’t buy in when it was in a death spiral. And I wouldn’t recommend anyone buying in while it is. Just consider yourself lucky...
Until you do buy in.
Toff
Fleccy
“Well i've just moved £40 grand into my share dealing account and i'm looking around 135p.”
You claim to be buying into BT every 5 minutes, which beggars belief. You’re either exceeding rich or you’re not being entirely honest. If you were to add all of your BT trades up it would amount to an astronomical eye watering loss.
Are you sure you’re not just making it all up in the belief other people will but in on the strength of your unbound confidence?
And surely you’d have run out of money long ago after all those BT trades wouldn’t you?
Unless it was you who won £107 million on euromillions.
Lamtree is actually right when he says he wouldn’t but into BT for £1 but he’d buy in higher if the SP started to climb. That is one of the fundamental rules of share trading- you don’t buy into a share in terminal decline - one what plunges even when the Dow rises by over a thousand points.
I’m not saying I agree with the market makers valuation of BT but they are the ones who decide ultimately. And it’s obvious they hate BT and are determined to mark them down to £1
And why stop there. They could go even lower.
And I don’t want to worry you, but I’ve witnessed investors get wiped out by going all-in to one share, countless times over the years
Yell
HMV
Carillion
Etc
They all had ultra bullish investors too
And they lost everything.
Toff
Fair enough to that fleccy. I think you’ll do fine in the medium to long-term.
"Posting on this bb as much as you do kind of suggests it isn’t so relaxed"
I post on here because i enjoy it, i have nearly as much invested in Lloyds and Vodafone. The reason i don't post on the Lloyds forum is because it went Brexit mad and the Vodafone board is just boring. I'm posting a lot currently because i want to buy into the market and this Corona Virus event has really livened me up. I'm actually less relaxed when i'm in the black and agonising over selling, being down on an investment is easy, because i just sit on it.
"Because its not ready for a run yet fleccy,it tried Friday just gone,but it just wasn't ready."
Well i've just moved £40 grand into my share dealing account and i'm looking around 135p. If i do get in at that price, by the time it hits 145p , i'll already be up nearly 3 grand if i sell. If it goes the other way i'll just hold as long as necessary. This is assuming i decide to put it all into BT, which i probably wont, but you get my point.
Fleccy, I don’t mean this as an attack on you. You have a long-term relaxed strategy with BT and I can’t say I disagree with it. Posting on this bb as much as you do kind of suggests it isn’t so relaxed. If investing in BT, rather than trading, just check once a week (or day, as is the temptation these days, but so much better without). Obviously we are in a different times now with covid, but just generally. These boards are full of ****.
"I will buy (trade) when it lifts out of oversold and not one second before and will pause more carefully this time until I see a good volume clear lift. "
Each to their own. I don't worry about playing a waiting game for stocks to recover, as long as they generate income.
I will buy (trade) when it lifts out of oversold and not one second before and will pause more carefully this time until I see a good volume clear lift. So price won't be the issue.
"I'm actually thinking of buying at 1.45 velo,depends on the action really."
Why don't you buy it tomorrow around £1.39?
Very true Lamtree. (Govt shackles). BT is a political football. Spot on! That's even more important than being a cash machine for this instance but a curse in every other sense.
Lamtree hasn't predicted £1. He's not that daft.
"As long as there's cash there will be a BT. You can't go bankrupt as long as you're producing adequate cash."
Velo. i get what you mean, but put it in big letters for Lamtree. My Granddaughter shows more intelligence than him and she's only a year old.
"It makes every sense to me. The present crisis facing world markets was created in 2009. All covid -19 has done is open Pandora’s box sooner than the market expected."
You'll have to explain that one to me. I get that US markets are pumped by low interest rates and QE, as well as other skulduggery and i also get that the market is fragile and overdue a big correction, what i don't get is how market's are recovering when they are expecting a drop in earnings due to a supply shock. As i said previously, this latest rally looks Engineered to buoy up the US public.
Fleccy, when someone predicts £1 simply ask them: By what date? They can't tell you. They're incapable of telling you. If you say no I don't think it'll go to £1 but it does 2 years later they'd pop up like they're Nostradamus's relative and say told you so. If I extend my long term trend lines I can give you a 3 month window of £1. If I keep extending them I could give you another 3 month window of it hitting 10p. Extending them further I'd give you a 3 month window of it hitting minus -£1. And so on until minus -£10.
Question: where does it say a down trend continues until it reaches zero and won't cease until it reaches zero?
A company does not go bankrupt on falling revenue or falling profits. It becomes insolvent due to one reason only - lack of cash. BT is still a cash making machine. Billions still being produced in profits - billions. And if it wasn't, it would do a rights Issue to raise money if the banks refused loans. As long as there's cash there will be a BT. You can't go bankrupt as long as you're producing adequate cash.
I'm not sure if you're just thick, or pretending to be. Anyway this may help.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Basic-Maths-Dummies-Colin-Beveridge/dp/1119974526/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=basic+maths+for+dummies&qid=1583186635&s=books&sr=1-1
fleecy
“the rally just doesn’t make sense to me”
It makes every sense to me. The present crisis facing world markets was created in 2009. All covid -19 has done is open Pandora’s box sooner than the market expected.
"Really."
It's simple maths
"You could always invest in a boat with a hole in it fleccy."
You could get a life, but each to their own.