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EVs are becoming cheaper to buy every year and they are way cheaper to run and maintain.
Have a look at the S Curve for products such as telephones, televisions, washing machines, microwaves, personal computers, etc - EVs are about to go vertical.
Battery tech is coming on leaps and bounds. Charging points are cropping up all over the place.
but whose paying for all the expensive electric cars?!
cant see that improving anytime soon....
and the electric charging infrastucture inadequate.....travel distance
mice eating the cabeling apparently, AA tell u all about that.....
nah, wont be that simple......walk in the park?!
no neg, more facts?!
Very true TDT. I've just a basic 4kW system which produces enough power to travel 12,700 miles/year in a Tesla Model 3. It probably wouldn't produce enough through the darkest winter months but would be more than enough for 9 months of the year.
If you listen to a Tony Seba lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y916mxoio0E he talks about the effect on real estate values when car parks, parking spaces, garages, petrol stations, etc. become redundant - cheap transport and cheap housing.
Private car ownership is dying. The younger generation aren't interested in cars so much. Apart from that, since the 2008 financial crash they are poorer, and having to pay rent in the private sector, many don't want the expense of a car. This pandemic and Brexit will accelerate this trend for all of us.
Jeremy Clarkson complains that Millennials don't watch Top Gear as much as Boomers. They see Transport as a Service (TaaS) ie get an Uber when needed at a fraction of the price.
That’s the current plan that works, but the government will force different forms of taxation on usage And ownership of any vehicle. The Cars or chargers will log the usage eventually, and I wouldn’t ever put it past government to make up as many forms of taxation to cover the near £30b / year they get from
Fuel duty that they can’t afford to loose.
It’s a while off yet.
Just checking old watch lists, interesting discussions on The ev here but thought I would add one point on the cost of charging cars, what happens to cost, feasibility and usage habits when you factor in for when the government puts smart meters in the chargers (or at the consumer unit on the feed to the charger) and then they charge a tax per kWh charged, it will happen they have to replace fuel duty tax receipts eventually.
Hi Asabutchers. So there is no cost to what you propose. The whole point of my opening up a debate about battery powered EVs or fuel cell power packs is what will be the most efficient and cost effective? Having just sat though 1hr watching Tony Selbas predictions for 2030 i foresee massive use of battery storage facilities being powered by renewable sources. Small delivery EVs will probably use batteries but the, larger main stream transport systems must find a more efficient power source than heavy batteries. ATB Speedy
Speedy why use throw away untrue sensationalist expressions like 'massive cost of rebuilding the whole grid'. That's not how electrical distribution works at all. Dropping in a 10, 50 or 100MW battery system strategically located charged by solar means is one method and will substantially free-up capacity in the grid. Stop listening to doom and gloom media outlets. The capacity is most likely in the grid now especially with reducing demand as people/businesses use electrical power from renewable means but needs some fine tuning and blue sky thinking. Like Tesla.
No it's not as it all depends on the annual mileage and how long an Individual will keep the car
When you're at the bottom of the hole, stop digging
Hi Crazy, It is wrong to use 3p as a cost there are many many more factors to take into consideration. ATB Speedy
Hi Flare. What is the % of weight the batteries in the Tesla 3? Speedy
CashlessIt was a reply to my post headed efficacy, so it take it as directed to me and i just want to know why. So i ask again what was the point of your question? Speedy
Looking to find a fault out of nothing Speedy?
Trying to be negative for the sake of it?
Weight of a Tesla model 3 = 1,800kg.
Weight of a Toyots Miral = 1,850kg. (H2)
H2 vehicles are less than 60% efficient
EVs are cheaper to buy and cheaper to run than Hydrogen.
Is there any other arguments you'd like to lose?
People will be able to charge at work and would expect charge times could be set for during the night when differently rates could be applied.
As for efficency, I will take 3p per mile over the 20p my diesel is costing
To see who's hat fitted
cashless OK what was the point of your question?
Hi Crazy. i am not comparing to ICE, i am just stating that battery powered EVs are not all that efficient or economic when pricing in the cost of replacement and the massive costs of rebuilding the elec grid. What will happen when, say, 10mil evs plug in early evening and then all put the kettle on at 9 oclock. The grid can only just about cope now with the kettle spike. ATB Speedy
It was a question, not a point
Cashless, and your point is.
Everytime you fill up your car it is carting around 80kg of petrol / diesel as well as the weight of the combustion engine.
Batteries are getting better all of the time
Why do illiterate people post on public forums?
Hi All. When talking plus or negatives about battery efficacy please ponder this. A Tesla S weighs 2108kgs of that 544kgs is battery weight, over 25% of the energy is wasted carting the batteries about. Is that sustainable? I think not. ATB Speedy