RE: Don’t usually comment on politics here but...22 Nov 2019 07:42
That there is the problem Hbob. Poverty is not defined and is rather subjective. Ask someone in Mali. Right now there is not one day in the working week where i dont work with people in 'poverty'. Funnily enough many enjoy Sky, have a car (no need as you get a free bus pass), visit the pub. Drink at home. Smoke and have cash and a significant number have their nails done every week. I am confident that I see more 'poverty' in one day than many on here see in many months. We can all pick examples of the 30 a day smoker that lived until they were 95 but that isn't the real picture nor is it the norm. I grant you that there are pockets are real poverty, ingrained. I would argue that the issue is not poverty, the issue is the inability to manage money, cook properly and break the cycle of social restrictions such as education. Locked in some may say. The problems are heavily concentrated in the white working class (formerly for many). Who let them down Hbob? Who is leaving Labour in droves? Who opened the floodgates for unskilled immigration in the late 90's who were then competing in the same environment as the traditional working class? That was the final nail in the coffin for the traditional working class. Who abandoned their core voters? Neil Kinnock knew labour were lost. He has spoken about it. By blaming poverty for peoples ills you do a great disservice to all the Irish immigrants and all the commonwealth immigrants in the last 100 years that arrived with nothing other than a suitcase. They faced poverty, abuse, they moved for work, left family, gave up home and many, many, many made it work because they made it work. Well done to them, they earned it. They had to make it work as there was no nice welfare cushion.