RE: Hydrogen has an efficiency problem.28 Dec 2020 13:33
@Tagware.. Ooh just under 1000 cells in Tesla's latest, isn't that great, only 1000 to keep at optimum temp and current loads all the time.
As for your comment about Ammonia and it being the most wasteful use of energy, perhaps you are yet again looking at the current main process which converts hydrocarbon gas using steam, and yes it generates a lot of CO2. However solar power is the cheapest form of power out there, and places like KSA (Saudi) have it in abundance, so wasting a bit of virtually free and completely green energy is neither here nor there. As I said in one of my previous posts they are already in joint ventures with various companies to create giant solar farms to produce ammonia for transport use, they aren't waiting for oil to no longer be in use.
As for fires, I would expect Tesla, a manufacturer of them, to claim they are safer. However lets just assume for arguments sake that there are about the same number of fires in each type, what do you do if you have a fire in a battery EV....
The services have two main options, let the fire burn out or extinguish it.
Many EV manufacturers actually advise for a controlled burn i.e allow the vehicle to burn out while you focus on protecting the surrounding area.
According to Simon Kirsopp, watch manager at Tyne & Wear Fire & Rescue, it is not always that simple: ‘Letting a fire burn out can not only have an impact on the surrounding environment, property, and people, but in many cases this just isn’t feasible.
‘We have to think about the impact on the wider economy. Letting a fire burn out could mean closing a road for up to eight hours. It is estimated that for every minute a road is closed, it has a £1m impact on the local economy. We have to think of business continuity, social arrangements and the effect on local businesses, sometimes closing a road just isn’t an option.’
So the second option, to extinguish the fire – this also comes with its own set of problems.
‘Putting out an EV fire uses around 1,125 litres of water per minute. We have to consider the water runoff. When water is used to treat a fire, it can become contaminated because it absorbs certain quantities of soot or chemicals that are common when anything burns, using such vast amounts of water it is very easy for this contaminated water to enter drainage systems. Once the fire has been successfully put out, the problem for the fire brigade is not over.
Electric vehicle fires are known to reignite hours, days or even weeks after the initial event, and can do so many times.
Not only does this pose a safety issue, but it also poses a legal issue: ‘Recovery firms are increasingly concerned about dealing with electric vehicles. There is no way of knowing if it will reignite in the back of the pick-up truck or in the storage grounds. This poses a legal challenge in terms of whose responsibility is it, and as a fire department it is hard to make the final call, just because the fire is out, it doesn’t mean it won