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Circular Refining is not yet producing green hydrogen at scale. Its projects—both for nuclear-derived “ruby hydrogen” and solar-powered green hydrogen—are in the planning, exploration, or early development stages. The company is positioning itself to be a significant future player in the UK’s hydrogen economy, but commercial production of green hydrogen has not yet commenced.

Sound like they’re way off and perhaps even in Bond-promise territory

If it takes some research to understand that getting into parliament to talk to MPs isn’t as easy as knocking on the door I think you probably sit in the low IQ bracket too Ade.

Next time try doing your research before calling everyone morons, although my feeling is your research may have been reading some of the more informed posts people had already put on here.

Perhaps you’d like to provide your reasons for this shift in opinion?

Exactly, and AFC are more likely to fail without subsidies as they won’t have a market to sell into. They don’t however need them directly if their product is cost competitive.

For the record my take here is that AFC are trying to directly influence the government down the route of ammonia cracking for the production of hydrogen. At the point in time the Gov will be being hit from multiple angles, including the fossil fuel industry, so it’s key AFC are in there fighting their corner for the method and to put their tech front and centre.

I don’t think they were there to ask for grants and also I don’t think their tech has technical issues. Yes subsidies will likely be required to ensure the method gets traction and the supply chain benefits but then that will suit all companies providing cracker tech and will be necessary initially to drive the economies of scale that will ultimately lead to their removal. AFC themselves don’t need to directly rely on them if their products are cost competitive, and that is JWs aim, but if there’s no supply chain and support from the government in policy then no-one benefits.

No - my previous point still stands and I have more interesting things to do. If I wanted an essay from you I would have asked, but that is even more unlikely than you talking sense.

Yawn

you can post when you like ade, but when you post and the content enables you to tell a lot about person. for example, you’ve just made a couple of comments that show you are clueless about the current state of the hydrogen economy and why at this juncture lobbying is needed, and potentially very beneficial for a company like afc.

you’re a bit of an amateur by the looks of it, or just an immature ******. neither is particularly great is it.

Take your own advice and explore the reasons why companies lobby the government when they have disruptive tech. You may learn something.

Changing your tune again Ade? Round and round we go…

Stands to reason you’d be driving a knobs car Ade. Careful with the headrest - they’re difficult to sell on with greasy marks on them.

Sounds like you’re perfect for each other Ade!

Impressive bit of kit and it’s a shame it’s not ours. GeoPura are however doing the fuel cell market a favour if they deliver successful deployments and builds a market for cheaper and more compact systems - ie ours!!

There will also be costs associated with electrolysis too - such as water purification and usage (wastage) - that are also ignored.

I guess wastage isn’t so much an issue given we seem quite happy to be wasting lots of water getting AI to generate dolls of ourselves, and pictures of cats.

I think maybe you did Ade. You can’t talk for the rest of us though…

The figure for AFC I’ve been given (via a net scraper) is 9.5kwh/kg for the cracker tech.

Some more info below, and the last one is unquantified but will depend on how the ammonia is made and how far it needs to travel.

Key Points

• AFC Energy’s cracker requires about one-quarter of the electrical energy per kilogram of hydrogen compared to a state-of-the-art solid oxide electrolyser (9.5 kWh/kg vs. 37 kWh/kg).

• Compared to typical alkaline or PEM electrolysers, the cracker is even more efficient, requiring less than one-fifth the electrical input.

• The cracker’s advantage comes from reconverting hydrogen from ammonia, rather than splitting water, and its ability to leverage waste heat and byproducts.

• However, the overall energy chain for hydrogen from ammonia includes the energy used in ammonia synthesis and transportation, which is not included in the cracker’s electrical input figure.

I think Ade was talking about the RSI he got after talking to a girl on here the other day.

Ade AKA Warren Bluffet

I think Daz is still bitter from his 65p top-up if I remember correctly? If correct I do have some sympathy.

No shorts have been closed ginger - just reduced below the public reporting threshold