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Mike
Thanks for getting back. My background is serving Queen and country in dusty places and now working in the City! so, TERPs, etc are relatively new to me. However, I am OK, I think, in sorting out nonsense when presented. So my simple question is why did they come up with the TERP figure in the first place? did the lads nip down the rubba on a Friday afternoon and after a few London Prides come up with that figure or was it down to scientific analysis? The former me thinks, but then again I am not a City gent!!!
from JubberJim
"Allen and Ovary were the advisors on this rights issue I am led to believe
Very apt as it looks in the first instance they tui and myriad investors have been left with an awful lot of egg on the face.
Think whole proceedings have been nothing short of facial confusion the predominant factor hence have decided to wait before venturing into this debacle
Not helped by a very poor market
Very fortunate to have exited with very meagre profit.
Beyond a joke
Will wait for the magic number R I price of 485 before even considering entry and always will be guided by general tone of market which is very subdued
Have a good weekend all"
I don't quite know what to say. I have mentioned TERP before and the 45% dive in price since that was calculated. Will it drop further? Clearly if the shorters have their way, then they believe it will drop further. But at some stage the sp will level and rise again. Why? Because irrespective of macro economic concerns about the state of the economy, many families now wish to go on foreign holidays again and from TUIs own forecatsts, demand is very strong.
So let's pray that TUI is about to enter its phoenix stage!
Jock...Tom Winnifrith, the Sheriff of Aim. And what I am saying is that the sp is already 45% lower than predicted by TUIs highly paid advisers. For a crate of Germany's finest (abut E10), I too could throw a dart at a board and come up with an arbitrary number!
"On 28 March 2023 various data providers initially applied an incorrect adjustment factor of 0.5295 to TUI’s historical share/DI prices, as they did not consider the exclusion of the sanctioned
shareholder in the ongoing rights issue. As a result, amongst others, an adjusted TUI share price (TERP) of €8.324 was featured for 27-Mar-2023, XETRA close. In the table below we are
showing the correct rights issue calculations with an adjustment factor of 0.5807, resulting in an adjusted TUI share price (TERP) of €9.128 for 27-Mar-2023, XETRA close."
Too late now to give meaningful comment, but clearly all the suits have got this TERP utterly wrong. On Monday we will have the ARIP...or after rights issue price and by my calculations going on Friday's close that is almost 45% lower than the experts have predicted. Now, either I am talking utter drivel or they need sacking for getting this so wrong.
It's a shame than TW probably wouldn't be interested in this share, by way of commentary. But someone needs to comment on the behalf of us lowly PIs..
The Theoretical price at which the shares should trade, once the rights are
detached
• TERP = (Current Shares Outstanding * Current Share Price) + (Newly
Issued Shares * Subscription Price) / (Current Shares Outstanding + Newly
Issued Shares) equals €9.23!
Am I missing something here with the sp languishing at £5.10?
So either all the years that I spent studying economics and getting my MBA have been wasted or there is a huge gap that should never have occurred?!
Shave..I tend to agree, but then I'd say that anyway more out of moral support for myself! In a way this has been classic text book stuff where the shares have all dropped to the RI price, or there abouts. Give it a couple of days to settle, for the new shares to churn and the for us sticky holders to determine that this is a golden opportunity and pile in. And hoffentlich soon, the TUI Board will start a share buy back programme and or pay us sufferers a dividend! That would really show a sign of confidence.
Ultimately, and listening to podcasts and reading written comment, the travel industry is going great guns at the moment and oddly enough, after a few years of not being able to, people wish to get away again.
Totally agree about false break outs...which has been evidenced a few times now. However surely any sp above £5 would allow the new shares to be traded at a profit...so until those have been churned, then don't expect that much of a climb. However, I have used today's price dip to greatly reduce my average and will now play the waiting game.
TUI in Germany now at E5.87 (15 minute delay). Whilst at Kaufland I noticed the sp dived, so now home, thought I'd get back in...which I did. £11k worth and so far so good. But WTFDIK as no doubt someone monitors my trading account and uses my buy as an opportunity to short.
The board continues to implement the fallback solution, which is the orderly wind-down of the business, which is expected to result in no value attributable to shareholders once the wind-down is completed. For the benefit of creditors, the board continues to be open to any indications of interest from third parties for any part of the business.
just those above 700 to go now.
This has been a testing period for us LTHs and well done all for having the faith. I was thinking that I ought to take our local train to Langenhagen and give the TUI board a piece of my mind. But now the results have been published perhaps I'll just sit here and enjoy my silence! However, my main question is why the dickens has TUI managed to get itself into this mess in the first place? It appears to me, that they were late in identifying the extent of the problem Covid would cause, criminally late in reducing costs and late in doing this bail out programme.
On, on!
TUI was upgraded by Citi as the bank recalibrated after the travel group's rights issue and upbeat update last week.
After completing its rights issue last month with the shares going ex-rights on 28 March, the Anglo-German group reported strong demand for travel bookings across all markets.
Citi analyst Leo Carrington updated the bank's forecast model for the company to reflect terms of the rights issue, upgrading to a 'neutral (high risk)' rating from the previous 'sell (high risk)' stance.
"With the stock having abruptly de-rated 22% since trading ex-rights we see valuation upside," the analyst wrote.
Explaining further, he said that beyond "the opportunity embedded in the current valuation", TUI was given a neutral rather than a buy rating amid a context of summer 2023 booking volumes still being down 11% compared to pre-pandemic 2019 as of 5 February, though the latest statement is "suggesting some upside to these levels".
Citi's share price target was also cut to 750p, reflecting the higher-than-expected dilution from the rights issue and the application of a wider discount to competitors, but unchanged earnings estimates.
"The volatile and uncertain economic outlook combined with the recent share price performance driven by the rights issue dynamics also to some extent highlights the limited institutional investor interest," the analyst said.