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I think a lot of people would agree with that.

I thought the penultimate paragraph was interesting ("A hydrogen infrastructure...").
UK different of course with a Government that appears to think "What's hydrogen?".

Interesting.

This recent article in FT made good reading too:
https://www.ft.com/content/a68c9a0d-1968-4e95-9c92-39d42a86d443?shareType=nongift

An interesting video by Harry on his second visit to JCB and the progress with their H2 ICE.
There were a couple of comments that an engineer/scientist might query ... depends how picky one wants to be.
Worth watching when you have some spare time rather than just skipping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxtxZY45RMM&t=1s

I agree with most of what (watt) you say though I'm not quite on board with XX-thousand tonnes of batteries idea if using Li-ion.
I haven't had my calculator out but I reckon we could do a half-decent job of increasing wind-turbines and extra storage. But UK Gov is obsessed with simple EVs and short-term Hat Man**** self-image.

And, apologies for causing an upset, but I do think there is a place for nuclear power now and phased out in years to come.
(Forgive me but I used to work in Reactor Physics so have some idea of the operation and dangers).
Fusion, always 20 years away, is a goal but don't imagine that is totally free of radiation hazard.

I just watched a Harry's Garage on Round 2 at JCB, very interesting and confirmed our Government have their heads up their armpits with regard to Hydrogen and it's importance now and in the future,

Fair enough it depends on the process and the industry.
I'll give Google a rest but just ask this question:

Suppose we dump coal, gas and nuclear (and wood burning stoves).
How can we offer UK industry and domestic market the power they need and when they want/need it?

Don't infer that I don't support renewable generation and storage. I'm a full supporter.

For starters: you could ban crypto-currency mining.

I was just being cheeky, not serious.

Though it has to remembered that any power-hungry iron/steel process will need continuous power.
Not just on sunny days (or even windy days with turbines).
A nice nuclear station should fit the bill.

I'm not sure if a solar farm as big as Dorset would keep blast furnaces going.
Especially today :)

But don't worry, I'm sure our Ministers are advised by experts with Business & Media Studies degrees.

Absolutely build more wind turbines.
And even more + decent storage if the non-nuclear route is taken.
(I see that Na-ion batteries are gaining ground).

British Steel have been investigating how to move to hydrogen for a while.
Not sure if this is just the power source or whether it includes the steel process.
https://hydrogen-central.com/british-steel-launches-feasibility-study-green-hydrogen/

I guess the overall practical changeover aspect must be very difficult (and expensive).
The final product cost must be a concern.
After all, those ghastly accountants might just opt for cheap coal/coke Chinese steel if the price is too high.

We're getting there but oh so slowly.

Aye, there's the rub; infrastructure. Germany seem a lot more keen than UK for H2 refueling.

I think it's fairly clear that H2 is more appropriate for bigger things.
Just imagine offering a Range Rover with 3.5 tonne towing capacity using a battery and a decent tow range.
You'd end up with a Hummer heavy vehicle. Bonkers.

Good old Petrol Ped tested a BMW iX xDrive 50(?) towing a 1.4tonne posh caravan.
Energy consumption 1.9miles / kWh on mostly flat roads.

I notice BMW are doing an iX5 Hydrogen demonstrator.
Hopefully they'll optimise range rather than 0-60.
Landrover seem to have gone quiet on project Zeus.

Solar and wind powered clothes drier.
https://www.wilko.com/kleeneze-3-arm-rotary-outdoor-washing-line-30m/p/0515583?gclid=46640c5fd8771c3fefdd6fa76763de2e&gclsrc=3p.ds&msclkid=46640c5fd8771c3fefdd6fa76763de2e&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SSC%3A%20Home&utm_term=4577266910401877&utm_content=Home

haha, very good BB.

Thyssenkrupp and others have been working on decarbonised steel for a while and hopefully will make it commercially viable and reliable.
There's even a Company (can't remember) who are trying to decarbonise building bricks & blocks production.
A lot of this is down to the commercial aspect and scale of course.
Which is why (with some help from lobbyists and marketeers) we've had pretty cheap O&G for the last 100 years.
I'm not excusing the lack of concern for the environment by the way.

Fingers crossed a cleaner era is approaching.

It's a start and I wish them all the best. I hope it starts a ball rolling. From tiny acorns etc.

The hard part will be convincing big shipping Companies to transfer from a mature/reliable (and smelly) propulsion fuel to a cleaner system.
And diesel fuel occupies a smaller space for the trips from China to the ROtW.
It will take many years but fingers crossed.

Then, of course, we and the World will have to vastly increase renewable generation (leccy & hydrogen).
Chuck in a few Rolls Royce SMRs or pinch them from a Nuclear Sub :)

Hopefully, ITM/Linde will get a slice instead of importing cheaper Chinese electrolysers.
(I remember the made-in-UK solar panel hype on TV in the 1990s).

Personally, I would like to see more manufacture closer to home to cut down the amount of shipping needed in the first place.

I hadn't seen this before, perhaps everyone else has.
https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/1006681/pineapple-power-jumps-45-as-former-itm-boss-joins-search-for-deal-1006681.html

Just like EVs the hydrogen lobby seems to be very polarised.

I can understand the comments regarding the difficulties of shipping liquified hydrogen.
And, assuming that article is accurate, I didn't realise the energy cost of Ammonia conversion.

The bit "..ambitious plan to phase out imports of Russian pipeline gas." has obviously become more realistic after Nordstream pipes were blown up.
(I don't mean to get the Conspiracy Theorists aggitated).

Why not just leave LNG terminals to LNG and, in parallel, spend money on renewable generation & elelctrolysis locally to UK & Europe.
Maybe the new LNG terminals can be made hydrogen-ready? I dunno, I'll leave that to the Brains.

As one tails off then the other ramps up..
These things obviously can't be treated like a switch but I wish they'd hurry along a bit.

I suspect some of the Cheque-book holders are being swayed (bamboozled) by the anti-hydrogen lobbies and scared they'd be chucking money into a Hydrogen black-hole.

Always risky to predict. I think we've all done it, usually based on emotion.
When ITM was last at 200p there was a chap doing some magical technical stuff and predicted a rise.

Oh dear. Another ARVL?

I agree with Toneman as PLUG are an end-to-end Hydrogen Company so a bit difficult to compare, other than hydrogen is involved.
I invest in ITM and PLUG and the latter's SP has taken a bit of a hit recently resulting from some rather enthusiastic expectations which didn't happen.

My farm is not invested in either but hopefully there will be progress for both in the near future. But it needs a number of ingredients to come together.

I hope the quality of the product is better than the level of literacy of the author. :)

Maybe a font/display thing; not easy to see difference between Aye Aye versus ell ell.
(And , yes, Aye know what it means).

Well, I guess there are various markets for silicon carbide if the hydrogen is a no-goer; FETs and grinding wheels :)