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Government uso
Vesa
Letters down
Parcels down
Union striking for more money
Change to survive needed
Company loosing money
Fined for not reaching targets
Things are coming to a head nicely,one thing is for sure,the government will be under pressure here,a change to the uso,
Delivering a few days a week to built up areas,once a week to rural,not taking on other companies mail for the last bit and being paid a pittance.
I can see the company being picked up on the cheap,I can see the uso being changed so the company makes money,I can see less vans needed to do the rounds,I can see less fuel being needed,I can see big redundancies in the work place,I can see the business being streamlined,can no one else see this coming at some point…
Best analogy I’ve seen on here, there is no understanding of the waste within this company.
Maximus everyone except the CWU still living in the past my friend not the Future
Maximas- I agree with pretty much everything in your post, one ray of light is hopefully the company won't have to fork out huge sums for mass redundancies.
Delivery Offices are already run on a less than skeleton staff with masses of unfilled vacancies across the country, natural wastage of the workforce was already at 8-10,000 staff per year, all RM has to do is continue not replacing these leavers and it can soon reduce the workforce significantly at no cost at all.
mike 1974 you forgot one thing................ the present staff will not walk away with nothing!!!!!! change of contract if not signed= unfair dismissal, check it out.... i do not mean an hour here and a hour there i mean Sunday working, grabbing allowances etc. etc on future contracts.... as for a wastage of staff of 8000-10000 a year .... where are you getting these figures from? even simon thompson admits the average posty has 17yrs service....
so there is a huge cost to royal mail
mike 1974 you forgot one thing................ the present staff will not walk away with nothing!!!!!! change of contract if not signed= unfair dismissal, check it out.... i do not mean an hour here and a hour there i mean Sunday working, grabbing allowances etc. etc on future contracts.... as for a wastage of staff of 8000-10000 a year .... where are you getting these figures from? even simon thompson admits the average posty has 17yrs service....
I’ve been in this situation….it’s very easy for the employer….just make things extremely difficult for the employee,natural wastage….my time as a rep I was also at a few tribunals….there a lottery,plus you think 20k is a lot of money in settlement…it’s not…it’s easy for the employer to just sack you and take the hit….they will pick on the low lying fruit as we say…the employer won’t give a **** about you as long as your gone…if that’s what they want…then you see everyone quickly getting on with the job as they don’t want to be next…seen it,done it…many times…
I personally think it’s now written in the stars…mystic megs says you posties are up a creek.
Mike, "natural wastage of the workforce was already at 8-10,000 staff per year, all RM has to do is continue not replacing these leavers and it can soon reduce the workforce significantly at no cost at all".
That's all very pragmatic however what level of staff reduction would be acceptable and how many years (of fines for not hitting delivery targets would it take to get down to your target level.
I also find it quite ironic that we have very few young workers (under thirty) coming through into deliveries. It seems that the UK youth aren't really interested in becoming a postal worker?
If/when the uso changes,as it will probably have to as the government won’t want r/m….and everything coming to a head….there won’t be any fines,a lot less posties due to working changes,(delivering less post a few times a week instead of every day)as I have said many times,company’s don’t stand still,they survive,they won’t give a toss,they will change and get stronger…
100% correct welcome to the real PLC world !
If you're only delivering a few times a week you're actually delivering more post on those days not less.
If you're only delivering a few times a week you're actually delivering more post on those days not less.
And saving man power,fuel,servicing time of van,green green green…less co2….it will happen ..
If delivering letters is such a loss making exercise, if the USO goes, why don't royal mail say, actually we don't want to deliver letters at all, we'll just morph into parcel force and just do medium to large pks. If anyone wants to send post or small ebay type pkts then do it through some other firm if anyone would actually take that work on.
Beatle…
I would suggest they will be tip toeing around the idea…small steps to get the uso moved…as things are right now I personally think all these problems coming together at once will push the people in charge of these things to start helping the situation,otherwise they will have a problem they don’t need or want…this I turn will then help the company streamline…it would not surprise me one bit if terms and conditions are changed in some sort…workforce get on board,or let go/sacked…no pay off needed…
Beatrootjuice, all of the required information is in the Postal Services Act 2011....not that anyone here thinks that it's relevant but hey ho.....
Beatrootjuice, all of the required information is in the Postal Services Act 2011....not that anyone here thinks that it's relevant but hey ho.....
Nothing stays the same forever,when people want things to change…..there’s always a way…some people think things are set in stone …they rarely are…but hey ho….
Maximus, "nothing stays the same forever,when people want things to change…..there’s always a way…some people think things are set in stone …they rarely are…but hey ho…."
Whilst that may be true, change regarding the USO has to go through the correct procedure. In this case it's through the House of Commons. Now I know that you will realise that the HoC is a very slow moving institution. It took three years to get a reading so that RM UK could have permission to change the pension scheme. We are in the middle of a monarch change, there's a cost of living crisis and Brexit still hasn't been"done". Changes to the USO are we'll down the list.
Oli..of course it has to go through procedure…my point is if things need to be done they will be…
If…and at the mo it’s a big if…vesa get the go ahead to move to beyond 25%…I would be amazed if the uso conversation had not come up,and some outline talked about…ie…the lazy side of r/m being kept on,and a solution put in place to make the two parts of r/m work…and be profitable…then uso being relaxed to make this work…just putting the obvious out there..
Maximus, Moya Greene started the conversation about a "level playing field" and "changes to the USO" before privatisation around 2011/12. So far... Zip.
I suspect that any proposed changes to the USO beginning now, won't be realised until around 2025/26?
I find it quite remarkable that you have several times retreated behind the same….house of commons argument…..basically saying it carnt /won’t/cud t/hapen…cos it wud be very nieve:-)
If someone needs it to happen,regardless of what should happen..it prob will happen…
See you all next week:-)
Maximus, I have never said that it couldn't, can't or won't ever happen. I am just starting the obvious obstacles that would prevent it from happening this year or possibly next year.
If the UK Government can sort out the USO problem before Christmas then I would be very surprised given the "to do" list laid before them. Don't forget, it took the current Government about two months just to elect a new leader so good luck with obtaining a decision on the USO anytime this week/month/year....lol
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
We will probably continue this conversation next year...lol.
The regulator said RM could scrap Saturday letter deliveries in November 2020, saving up to £225 million a year.
At the time the government said they hadn't received a request to change the USO.
Two years later and I haven't read anything to suggest a request has been submitted.
RG Postie I’m not saying you are wrong but I can’t remember the regulator saying we could scrap Saturday letter delivery’s . But what I do remember for about 4 weeks we only deliverd packets and left the letters in IPs and then 4 weeks later Rico Black was gone which could be the date you put on you post I was under the impression RB give the go ahead to stop leets delivery on a Saturday maybe a postman on here can remember if it was RB decision.One other thing the uso states we deliver letters 6 days a week and parcels 5 days a week it just shows you how outdated the uso is
RGPostie, Dowsie, a two minute read.....
https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/935048/royal-mail-could-move-to-five-day-delivery-says-regulator-ofcom-935048.html
Thanks oligarch I’ve just read it and the regulator seems to contradict it self yes it says we can deliver letters 5 days a week if we make x amount of savings and by doing this we can make the uso sustainable well if we make it sustainable surely we will be delivering letters 6 days a week or am I missing something