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Because he is a retired English teacher. Got nothing to do other than spell check and talk bad about people on any board.
No it's not a private board but it does have rules and that post breaks a few of them as far as I see.
Agreed, it's not private, so I was publicly expressing what I, and a fair few others, think.
Facts are facts, and to say nothing has happened in distorting the truth.
Plenty has happened, and plenty more is due to happen. The start of 2023 could, given a big spend on further research already, be a game changer IMHO
Its not a private board, it’s subjective and the filter button works fine if the posts bother you. Everyone is different, be boring if not.
Linking the specific health benefit to an established brand name would be the decision of that brand owner. For Provexis, the question is whether Fruitflow portrays the plethora of health benefits established and/or under further study ?
To add an additional marketing name wouldn't be feasible cost wise right now, but surely some creative people could arrive at an image with broader appeal once funds allow.
Only a thought process at this stage, of course.
alf
what yer thinking ? Lucozade + FF, Yakult + FF, Nescafe+FF, Punk IPA+FF ??
Wellies
I can see what you're saying Welly, but, if a consumer wants to take O3, which after all has a much more established profile as a health supplement, they would have to take two tabs if they also wanted to take Fruitflow. If you compare the current capsule to the Swanson capsule, I don't believe you can accurately describe it as a gobstopper. I also take plant sterols from Healthspan, and they're roughly double the size of a Fruitflow+ O3 capsule.
Another point, which hasn't been discussed for a long time, is whether Provexis have to use Fruitflow as the headline brand for a future product. I've always thought it a bit clunky. Just saying.
BB
Omega 3 adds unnecessary costs to getting a daily dose of FF. Other supplements (e.g. circulease, BPF) combine with other ingredients - nothing wrong with that if that's what the consumer want. From experience the FF+O3 gobstopper (not my words) has put people off taking it.
imho O3 was added to FF+ because DSM had just bought an O3 company and they wanted to create a new market. The whole philosophy for the FF+ brand was that it would be FF+ plus lots of other combinations which simply didn't materialize yet. Contrast FF+ this to the offerings FlyFit have
FF success is all about numbers, a million daily users would be transformational (##) to us. To achieve this we need FF in a variety of formats in as many jurisdictions as possible, as cheaply as possible. A fiver a month should be an achievable target . Personally am looking forward to having it available in fizzy tablet form and getting back to a having taking FF as part of a daily ritual at a mealtime.
With DSM's shackles off I, like many, have high expectations of IF to deliver the business. We have enough studies/patents/collaborations/boy scout badges in place now to deliver. I'm confident he will. I'm interpreting the dropping of the veggie caps as part of the delivery plan.
Ramble over, just getting impatient.
W$
have a good Sunday
Not sure what you're driving at W$?
Is it that you thing Omega 3 isn't a good pairing for FF?
Appreciate that an increase in production can lead to cost savings, if the demand is there, but FF + Omega 3 seems to be a double benefit, so not sure why you'd suggest we would go another way
Thx Gixer
I think including Omega3 in our only product was driven by DSM . With their control gone and with a greater supply we should see the cost of a daily dose of FF drop significantly if a FF+FA were available here
I didn't appreciate Zaax was so cheap. Hopefully FF+FA could be as low as £7.5 here, £3 in China ?
W$
(I think I still have one of the first packs of Swanson's bought when Sirco had run out)
Maybe, and I am just guessing, FF1 is not available to buy anymore?????
Swanson FF was available in many countries around the world so it must have been selling.
Yes the 90 caps were cheap but it should be 3 a day so a months supply.
There are cheap FF2 products on the market as well. Take Zaax. 36.66 Polish Zloty for a months supply or about £6.50
https://aptekamedkon.pl/8255-zaax-kaps-30-kaps.html
Just might not be as cheap once you have imported them to the UK though.
Gix
I guess it's looking like Veggie caps are no more - I wonder if they shall replace them with a FFII version.
The thing that is notable is how cheap, the caps were when compared with other FF formulations out there
90 caps, 2 caps a day, 45 days for a tenner.
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/q?kw=fruitflow
W$
https://www.facebook.com/swansonhealth/posts/10159773670889336
Just joking ,please accept my apologies if i keep on going on
"why a big spread"
Don't believe everything you read.
For goodness sake stop worrying about the SP. Sell up and move on if it's getting you down this much. I have 11 million shares and I am chilling
Not on the week, look longer term.
Sp down again
Mms playing games ,why a big spread
I've got no doubt that By Health will take the ingredient forwards in a selection of product formats, in that way the presence of multiple health claims may turn out to be beneficial. For the rest of the world, how many other health products is anyone aware of that have been studied and reported on as possessing such wide variety of established and further potential applications?
Overall, I'm glad that such academic interest is ongoing so many years after Prof. Asim's initial discovery, and Prof. Niamh's excellent EFSA and US approval papers. If a few of the much vaunted "growing number of brand owners" would step up to the plate I'd be delighted. Having added a modest amount during the downward push, it's good to see a couple of strong days.
Healthy China 2030 highlighted platelet aggregation as a major health risk to be addressed. BH are addressing that with FF at significant cost to them. Other companies will look to use FF in their products to demonstrate how they are contributing to Healthy China 2030. All these studies will help BH to clearly demonstrate to the government and their customers how FF addresses that health risk. Once approved, I hope the government is right behind them, helping them promote it and helping them to get it into the healthcare system.
With all of these new developments has anyone tried to work out what the value of our IP and Patents is?
I am fairly certain that if someone wanted to buy the IP, it would cost significantly more than £19M (the current market cap of the Company). To an extent, that merely shows how ineffective the marketing of this product has been and just backs up some of the comments below.
Alfista, I know what you mean but Provexis has no control over what other companies/hospitals/universities decide to do wrt clinical studies/trials on wstc. It's not even clear how much input By-Health had on this one other than supplying the tablets and being one of three funders. But..... if it helps By-Health in any way towards the new permitted health function claim in China then we will all be happy.
Alf
Totally agree, so do these peeps:
https://supplementpolice.com/fruitflow-plus/
FruitFlow Plus Verdict
FruitFlow Plus is a somewhat enigmatic supplement that perhaps sufferers from unintentionally confusing marketing and overly-complex explanations of how it works and what it does. The competitive nature of the health supplement market has made it common for health supplement manufacturers to provide elaborate and often confusing details on the effects of their products when perhaps a more simple explanation would suffice.
In short, FruitFlow Plus is essentially super-concentrated tomato extract mixed with omega-3 fish oil, and has been clinically proven to deliver a protective effect against heart disease. It’s also cost effective and time effective, as you’d likely need to consume around twenty kilograms of raw tomato to gain the same nutritional boost.
If you’re looking for an effective heart health supplement, FruitFlow+ is a great choice, although they could probably benefit from simplifying their marketing methods.
Don't get me wrong gix, The growing list of health benefits is awesome in comparison to the single one that was the aim of the EFSA approval application all those years ago. However, to be effective, a promotion has to be focussed, so, in that respect alone, I feel that brand owners may wait rather than miss out on the complete list. Obviously, I can't fathom their thinking, surely all these studies put Fruitflow on more agendas.
Hope so.