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Indeed and establishing it can shift the burden of proof in some cases. Directors' duties in some areas of their actions can awaken the reasonableness test.
But you are aware plane crashes are usually attributable to human error and if that error is in fact a deliberate act then liability arises? Both Criminal and Personal? You ask me to be "a bit sensible" but then tell me to "get on with it" (which, make no mistake, we are getting on with it). Contradictory. I could tell you to be sensible by not defending such a blatant sham and then wondering why people think you are an ex-BoD who personally profited from this. Tell me pop, do you think "balance of probability" has any standing in an English Court?
Tony has backed off! He can't recover personal losses from himself. F**kin hilarious!
Any other Flow customers on here ? I recently switched from Flow to AN Other, have been providing readings every month as i was told it made billing more accurate, now have a �225 bill as i've been underpaying ! Phoned customer service, was told that a review is done annually, so i asked what was the point of giving readings every month then ! Not only are they p*** poor at design and manufacture but they are also p*** poor on the energy business as well.
I will not recover any personal losses. This is very much likened to a plane crash, and wanting to know how and why it crashed and where. Be a bit sensible jalpa, I have almost zero trust on here and will only get abuse, and far better you or an ex-employee sets this up - all I have are some signposts on a chat board, you and they are in possession of concrete facts amounting to damning evidence. Get on with it !
popgoestheweasel....given you have been had off and made to look a gullible mug, why not start a facebook page or contact the ex-employees and explore an action to recover your personal losses?
Read OTTOCYC's post from yesterday evening. It has the date FKR.
External reports, presentations and drawings...all with differing dates, All at the latest issue pertaining to November 2014. All admissible.
rather ...what date is on it ?
Is the Jan and Don report dated and if so what date is in it ?
An ex-employee has stated on these boards "it never existed as a production model, only as a poorly functioning prototype" I have a statement from an ex-employee stating the same. The boiler never appeared and has never been seen. Conjecture over. Speculation replaced by statements of fact.
You can try Action Fraud or call your local Police and insist on a crime number proving you have reported a crime and are not complicit.
The Jan and Don report clearly states the boiler was not production viable, they stated it needed months of internal testing and should not be sold. This information is clear in the report...my source has a report proving the boiler wasn't viable that pre-dates this.
Fraud is a criminal act and as such should be reported the Police. Knowledge of a criminal act without reporting it may have implications for you.
is this not 0.08? I was told last week that this is going to to 0.08 plus!
FK you Tony! You're only interested in finding out who posters are you FKR. No one is buying your bullshit
Look at Tony. Trying to pretend he's on board and not worried. Very entertaining.
I fully endorse jalpa's views - you el.toro, and any ex-employee with damning evidence, or even evidence that points at, or even hints at impropriety or fraud, has a duty to act. A concerted joint effort where all evidence is gathered and collated would inevitably be more productive.
I have never considered calling the police as I thought this would be an issue handled by the FCA or SFO. In any case, is there a national number to ring or do I just speak with my local police? I just got tired of people bashing the engineers and the former MD. Particularly knowing that the BOD was well aware of everything. The documentation does prove this. I guess people will stoop to the lowest level when they find themselves caught in their own deceit. The Jan and Don report clearly states the boiler was not production viable, they stated it needed months of internal testing and should not be sold. This information is clear in the report. As to weather the boiler existed or not, well it never existed as a production model, only as a poorly functioning prototype.
"I have no plans to do anything. Should a court case arise, I am certain I would be called to present any information I have, which I would do"....if you have evidence that fraud has been committed, you need to call the Police. You have a legal obligation to do this.
I have a written statement stating the boiler was not fit for production in November 2014 and that RNS was misleading to state that "production model" boilers were "rolling off" any production line. The boiler in 2014 was a prototype. Such is the shortage of white collar legal professionals there are plenty of practices looking to give new lawyers an easy case. The cast iron evidence supporting all of this is the fact not one boiler has ever been seen. Further evidence is the low likelihood of being able to manufacture the scroll Stiff presented. Stinks of Fraud. As I say, low hanging Fruit. Clear Cut. I put it to you the RNS was misleading to up the share price for the financial benefit of the BoD....prove otherwise. History reinforces this.
I don’t know what was in his contract. He left, and I don’t think Flow announced anything and the BOD did not want the adverse publicity. Lots of executives are tied to confidentiality agreements, maybe he has one. I do know for certain that he was ethical. I have no plans to do anything. Should a court case arise, I am certain I would be called to present any information I have, which I would do.
"I do have the written evidence, project reports and meetings notes." el.toro what does that written evidence etc amount to? Would it in your opinion be clear cut and damning evidence of fraud or cover up by the BOD ? What are you intending to do with this evidence ? " Many people did not like Tony Stiff, and many more disliked Geoff Barker. Anyone one of them could be posting on this board. I don't know who you are, should I assume you are Tony Stiff?" A lot of people on here, do not only assume I am Tony Stiff, they are certain of it. Well it does not really matter to me what you assume, or others indeed, you must come to your own judgment.
First of all el.toro - ex employees like yourself, if I am to believe what you write, are not hated on here - however for them to blame investors for not listening to anonymous and very covert posters, one (who will not even now verify if he/she is an ex-employee) who was even stating the boiler did not exist at all, is a bit beyond the pale. You stated Mr G. S**ro the MD, was just glad to leave in the end, well bully for him, and where is his sense of justice and morality and fair play ? He gets paid off apparently, so he sneaks off into the night and buttons his lip. He had a duty to inform authorities of fraud overriding any gagging agreement he signed, as you yourself do, if you have documents to support such an offence.
What are people’s thoughts this week, are we going to see something similar to last week or will this go up or down! Who knows! 😂