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Pinche Tony telling other people "If people make wrong decisions in life, and their contributing actions are unjust and unfair to others and harm others - they will have to pay for those actions" What a f**kin laugh! Going to Mexico any time soon Tony? We could meet up again and you'd never know hahaha!
You said I had gone quiet jalpa - well I think it is time I was, and really must get on with other things, and I get a bit hooked in on here. If any ex-employees have any issue over fraud..the Insolvency service investigation unit is probably the first port of call - and they deal with with any company abuses or misconduct.. eg "dishonest or unethical activity (like not using company assets properly)" They have an online reporting service or a 24 hour helpline. If it is more serious the SFO might be more appropriate, but guess they would tell you. As for bringing a private action, as well as, or in lieu - that is a wholly different ball game and you'll have to put some money down, group action or not. I know magian has his strong concerns, and if the reports on here are true, well it could have serious consequences for the BOD. We investors take a risk, but we demand a fair crack of the whip, and if we were told untruths in the case of any reported issues concerning Flowgroup, then as I stated earlier....ALL HELL WILL BE UNLEASHED. I very much hope, there has no fraud, but on the basis of no smoke without fire... and there is plenty of smoke in here, albeit it an anonymous chamber, so all does not bode well. It is very much in the ex-employees' court. If people make wrong decisions in life, and their contributing actions are unjust and unfair to others and harm others - they will have to pay for those actions, and usually at the hands of people with a particular skill set who will pursue them, and search for them, and seek them out, and they will find them, and they will have their retribution. A few do wriggle away - the clever ones - but in the end something tends to get them, if they continue on the same path. A lot of the brinks mat gold is still sloshing around - and Noye when they were after him abroad, was flying in and out of Notholt airport most weekends in his private to meet up with his friends without any of the authorities knowing - and not many people know that !
That's desperate.
I don't think you'll get many if any crackers - they have that company indemnity insurance before any of any private wealth is touched and whose name is that in and it's holiday time - Mejico here we come... from Bombay to Santa Fe HIT ME ....HIT ME...HIT ME
I think you are confused pop. Its not justice or retribution we are after.
Well Jalpa just to correct the damn puff numbers as you might call them, is was 390,000 to 500,000. Given all those facts, and obviously given that they were proven, I would say, send the whole board down and at Juudge POP's signal UNLEASH HELL, chain them all up together in the same cell - and no sight or sound of the lovely little Nell.. Invisible shivers running down their spines...... 'You look very pretty to-day, Nelly, charmingly pretty. Are you tired, Nelly?' 'No, sir. I'm in a hurry to get back, for he will be anxious while I am away.' 'There's no hurry, little Nell, no hurry at all,' said Quilp. 'How should you like to be my number two, Nelly?' 'To be what, sir?' 'My number two, Nelly, my second, my Mrs Quilp,' said the dwarf.
pops gone quiet.
What do you reckon then pop, a statement form an ex-employee, the RNS stating production had begun, followed by an RNS stating the production had been increased from 360000 to 500000 and then the non-appearance of the boiler or any evidence it worked. No installs, no trial results, nothing. On the balance of probabilities, how would you find if you were the judge? Or would you just waffle shit?
You've forgotten the freezing of your assets - that's much more painful than having a root canal ! The main difference Jalpaman is the time frame - civil cases are much much quicker. The burden of proof is also much lighter - balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt in a crimi trial. WHERE THE HELL'S OTTO ?
4) Will a defendant be ordered to repay me my money? In civil proceedings a successful victim may obtain an order that the defendant repay the money/assets taken and or pay damages to the victim. It is possible very quickly to obtain judgment/reach settlement in certain circumstances, e.g. where you have very strong evidence against the defendant. If the defendant is convicted, the prosecuting authority can seek a compensation order against the defendant; this requires a convicted defendant to pay compensation to his victim(s). (This should not be confused with a confiscation order which requires a convicted defendant to pay the amount of his benefit from crime to the government, not the victim.)
OOOPS ! - OH jalpa, jalpa, jalpa, mea culpa mea culpa, mea culpa, we've been found out... three posts at 1253 DAMN DAMN PUTE - the curse of brinks mat rides on !
3) What sanctions can be imposed on a defendant? In civil proceedings a successful victim may obtain an order that the defendant repay the money/assets taken and or pay damages to the victim. There is no sanction by way of punishment. Depending on the offence for which the defendant is convicted, the court in which he is convicted and the value of the fraud, a criminal Judge can impose a prison sentence of up to 10 years and/or an unlimited fine.
Invisible shivers running down your spine eh jalpa ? No - just me watching the detective... I was rather hoping guey might have replied. Now Brad and Horrowitz have a million shares in false teeth. Makes them extra extra close - can't get much closer than teeth, unless you want to break a sate law or two. Sorry Nigel that teeth connection between you and Brad - hmmm another error ! - time frame see ! And next time you get a filling I will come along wid ya and do the pain for you. I always correct my mistakes on this board and I make a fair few clangers.
2) Is there a difference in the burden of proof in civil fraud and criminal fraud matters? In civil proceedings the burden of proof is on the victim to prove �on the balance of probabilities� that the defendant committed the alleged fraud. In criminal proceedings the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove �beyond reasonable doubt� that the defendant committed the alleged fraud.
1) Is there a difference between civil fraud and criminal fraud? There are many differences, but in short civil fraud is pursued by the victim(s) by way of a private action in the civil courts to seek recovery of the sums/assets which have been taken and/or the payment of compensation/damages to the victim(s). The decision in a civil trial will be made by a Judge. Criminal fraud is a criminal offence which will be prosecuted by the prosecuting authorities (If the prosecuting authorities are not prepared to bring proceedings, in certain circumstances an individual or an entity can bring a private prosecution in the criminal courts against a defendant (and in respect of other offences)). In the criminal courts (Magistrates� Court or Crown Court) with the sanctions likely to be a fine and/or imprisonment. The decision in a criminal trial will be made by a jury.
Is that supposed to be intimidating? that you were "watching me"?
HEEEERE'S TONEEEEE...... Guey, any chance of putting this vacaccion into a time frame ? It was much much smaller than the Overlook, now what was the pinche nombre of that pinche hotel where we shared the same joint air conditioning system ? If I were to go on that tour again, I would take the forty minute taxi ride back from Teotihuacan to 720 st Michael's Drive in Santa Fe to have my teeth polished free at the perfect Teeth dentist located there. Brad kinda owes me........... jalpa I was watching you, watching the Brinks Mat heist last night - not through the window but.....
I haven't bothered saying this before because I like to read Tony's posts pretending he's not Tony. I ran into Tony and his t**t family in Mexico a few years back. Complete chance. I was at the same hotel and even ended up on the same excursion to Teotihuacan. Remember what we talked about Tony? Tm1978 and others might be guessing but I know its you Tony! Hahaha!
What could be "made up" is an RNS statement about production boilers. This would constitute fraud. So given the boiler was never seen, its logical to conclude the boiler was indeed a farce. It follows then, given the company is now a shell, that the only people posting on here are: 1) Persons investigating the company and its BoD building a case against former BoD members. 2) Ex-employees clearing their guilty conscience and blowing the whistle. 3) Ex-employees bitter they didn't stay on the gravy train longer. 4) Partners/personal acquaintances of BoD with axes to grind. 5) Suppliers blowing the whistle. 6) 3rd parties privy to inside information that the boiler was a sham 7) Those who may have personally profited from insider information who feel a duty to defend as a re-payment of favour. 8) Partners/personal acquaintances of BoD who still actually believe the BoD were proper real business people and professionals and feel the need to defend 9) The mildly eccentric deluded lonely nut cases. 10) Ex BoD members sitting on investors cash laughing and taking the proverbial. This list is not exhaustive. Which are you?
Hindertondrive, having read many emails written by *****, I can state categorically that tm1978 isn’t the former MD. Writing style is way too different. ***** is an American, his style of writing reflected that. With regards to the rest of your post, you are a disturbed person. I have friends who are part of the gay and lesbian community and I find your post repulsive! It is hate filled.
So TM1978 thinks popgoes is Tony Stiff and popgoes thinks Tm1978 is Jonny Suuerro! Is that all this board is now, two ex flow bosses fighting on here. You will have one of them claiming to be from Lesbos again. You couldn't make it up!
Yes guilty as charged..the facebook suggestion was mine. But given my linkedin contact has "sung like a canary" I have no need to gather evidence. I might still set up the page though. Reckon all the other ex employees will also sing. Get their dirty little secrets off their chest. Catharsis. Facebook might have a use after all.
FKNG liar Tony. You can't and won't do anything as that would give yourself away. FU You deserve prison and, hopefully, it's not far off.
I haven't backed off - I never suggested a face book page I think it may have been jalpa.