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Opinions are just that ideally wouldn’t rile up anyone bearish or bullish but when people post information as fact I think it deserves to be challenged some examples over the year I have been reading on this board
Back in 20p days lots posting that we were about to enter a zombie apocalypse and a vaccine would never emerge - some would cheerfully post updates on the progress being made on vaccines
Then we had the naysayers that Cine was going to fold due to it’s debt as if it was a virtual certainty again some pointed to the fact that negotiations were ongoing and was unlikely given the business trading was paused rather then a fundamental issue with its business model ie people didn’t want the product
Then we had the slew of messages categorically stating cinema was dead and streaming was the way forward - again some stepped forward or challenge that and point to markets like China where cinema was doing extremely well post opening and what we could expect when regal/Cine reopened
Lots of messages about how covid was evading vaccination so Cinema will never be fully safe only to be challenged with data showing hospitals sadly full of unvaccinated people
I could go on with court cases, debt levels etc etc
The most recent example was someone who claimed that at 2019 revenue levels (4bn) Cine would be unprofitable as it couldn’t cover its costs and manage debt- with no data or facts to back it up - challenged back with analysis to the contrary
I am not saying these points shouldn’t be debated as that’s what I think the board is for and has made it an interesting read- if people come on making statements as facts then a polite but firm challenge is to be expected giving the other side of the argument
If someone comes on saying they are happy or unsatisfied about the share price I don’t really mind but my personal preference is to celebrate even small victories as it gives a nice feel good factor for a group of strangers rooting for the continued success of Cine and for that to be reflected in the share price
Mountainous yes I responded to you by thread hindsight prob wrong but it was aimed at me no doubt , I'm not gonna go through your post bot by bit apart from one bit, you said
f you want to continue with your persistently negative comments towards the company.
As I said to p.w please go back through my posts and give me examples of when I have been negative towards cineworld.
I will repeat AGAIN having a different opinion at times on current state of affairs doesn't make me negative , a troll , a deramper or whatever else you wanna throw at me.
Just like p.w and the others I'm sure you will ignore that bit , so in case it went over your head I will repeat please show me posts of where I have been negative towards cineworld , and don't take snippets read the post in general.
I have the individual on filter PW for my own reasons. Immaturity, troll sympathiser and suspected trader. You can kind of gauge things from when they appear and post.
They can reply to me all day long. What they post is to me worthless and as such I miss nothing if it is not viewable. There are no novel insights or even any great level of research. Most importantly I don't waste any of my time replying.
In the main I post information and support it with the links attached. If they don't like it tough love. Facts and links are hard to argue against.
Vue were up to 75% attendance last time I saw their CEO give an update in the Independent and now EMAN are up to 80% attendance. Those are very good numbers and represent further improvement and given the additional increase in F+B concession spend and moving forward into Bond and the films we know are coming in Q4.
Best just to ignore and not respond to any of them. We are now at the juncture where attendance levels will be getting back to pre-pandemic levels.
The share price is nowhere near that and sooner or later it will catch up to reflect that. If it doesn't then they get taken over or the list, or part list in the US as they have stated they are looking at.
Bond advert has just popped up on BT sport at half time in the Chelsea v Man City game.
Hello Bonkers, sorry to open up old wounds but the so-called critical response you are referring to was a response to an entire thread you made regarding me. You instantly assumed that I was referring to you even though I made it clear that I didn’t want to name anyone. You were, and are continuing to be, unnecessarily inflammatory.
Your response to that was to make a whole new thread just to lash out, and I responded with my opinion on it.
I would also like to say that PrettyWild is also spot on with the way she characterised your behaviour here. It has never before been seen where someone who is invested in a company constantly has a bearish outlook towards it, and even more so the fact that you go out of your way to further spread your bearish outlook. When I came on yesterday midday and saw the string of negative comments I laughed my backside off, because some of the people who were there haven’t been seen on this bb for a considerable period of time, they only appeared with their negative sentiment when the sp was flying, what a coincidence.
If you want to continue with your persistently negative comments towards the company, that is your choice. However you should be prepared to be met with disagreement, especially when the vast majority of us here are bullish towards our investments in the company. Imagine going into your local conservative club and then you start spewing socialist ideologies, how do you think that will go?
I didn't say that's who you were , I simply said being a anonymous poster you could be anyone , like me and anyone else , I used your trade mark kisses as a EXAMPLE.
For what it's worth I'm in the red , only just and your opinion of me I couldn't care less , my opinion on people's opinion is all that's at stake here just like yours , after all that's all we share here
Bonkers I have never said anything about James Bond, like I said you are still well up on your investment and looking at green, those who are in the red can see light at the end of a dark tunnel, and you were telling them not to be happy about the SP rise. You changed the mood of the board on a good day and people had the right to respond to your negitive post.
And the rest of your comment about me.... Wow, please show me where men gushed over me.... Jesus christ.
Yes my opinion of you has definitely changed.
Pw please spare the lecture, I am certainly not bitter about this share , I brought at a price I was happy with and I will sell at a price im happy with , its the only way I know how , i responded in a thread my opinion and that opinion of mine was the only one that was then used dicested and used to put Me in a negative manner, I have the right to respond to that.
My issues with lpd are long before you arrived , and started when he refferd to me as idw , a true troll , unfortunately I should of ignored at the time and it escalated from there. At times I have been just as childish as lpd , he says he has filtered me good for him , take a leaf from his book if you don't lile what I type.
With regards to your opinion of me, your entitled to your opinion, if your opinion of me has changed I won't lose sleep over it, your an anonymous poster who for all I know could be a geezer that gets kicks from putting kisses on the end of your posts and then watch other men gush over them and give you some much wanted attention. My point Is you could be my next door neighbour or the Queen for all I know and care.
I invested here alone and I will sell alone , just because 4 or 5 of you have the same opinion and then crush any opinion that offers something off track doesn't make your opinion one that the majority agree with.
Geeez you could write the s.p will rocket due to some james bond loo roll , you will get your 5 or 6 craved likes and think in your head it's right , doesn't mean that someone who thinks different is negative.
Maybe if mountainous wasn't so critical in his respince to the non believers it wouldn't be like this today , don't you agree it could of been a reply of fair enough we want more but I still enjoyed today.
Lastly p.w please go back through my posts and show me one where I am truly negative about cineworld , and read the whole post before taking lines from it , you might find that I'm a lot more pro cineworld then you think.
Bonkers who made a thread "mountainous"?
You are a hypocritic Bonkers, I have never had any beef with you at all, but call BC for day trading, looks like he is winning.
When I first come onto this forum and SP was dropping you were constantly telling us newbies NOT to sell most days, it's only a paper loss until you sell, hold on to your shares don't give them up, the SP will go up, you constantly said it, we believed it.
We watched it fall to 51p I think you are bitter about NOT selling at £1.20 as one of your friends on this forum did, you are thinking you could of bought back in at 51p and made more money, hell you could of retired early.
I don't know why you seem to have such a problem with LPD?
This is what LPD wrote, plus he shares other positive news on a daily basis.
"There seem to be a lot getting excited at merely passing through the 70p level. If you can actually find a reason for the fall from 88p and all the suppression that has ensued well prior to any court dramas, then I'd be obliged if you can share it"
I shared why I thought that was, on a different thread, I've added a bit to it, Lack of movie attendance, lack of revenue through the tills before July, other court case that Cine had to pay Regal share holders, Cineplex court case..... The worry of any big films that would be cancelled because of Covid.
You talk about us being in a club, you are now in a club with D9, FI, the other one..
and Seddo....... I think you are all forgetting we have been listening to the court case everyday which is positive in Cineworld favour, which may have helped the share price move and also we are in the travel stock.
The only thing that would take this price down is Covid and a lot of day traders. No other reason as yet. So yes we were pleased about the rise, and now thinking about the future rise because of the court case yesterday!
So forgive us if we were in a positive mood yesterday Bonkers. I can remember when you use to ask where has everyone gone, they told me it's not fun anymore!
I'm sure you are up on your investment Bonkers, I know someone who had gains of 100k and to see it drop, that person is still in the green but not bitter as he knows he will gain it back. Others who are in the red can see light at the end of a dark tunnel, and you are telling them not to be happy about the SP rise.
And Hi Robin, I never seen your post, I told you to add more money when it was 61p haha hope you are recoving well and out of hospital.
Hope all is well mad Dan, good to see you posting more regularly again , rollarcoaster is a great word to describe
I have been in this share a long long time. I have seen the lows and the highs. I BELIEVE in Cine always have done that’s why i have a big investment in this. I was there at 20’s and there at £1.20’s but refused to sell because of the above. I agree with Bonkers of course persons are to be pleased to see forward movement but we deserve so much more. All the knock downs on good news. All the Knockdowns on bad news. Covid , Debt , Streaming , Court cases . Yet here we all are patiently waiting for what we know this share deserves. To all on this board i believe we will all be rewarded at some point but its a rollercoaster share with highs and lows it sucks the life out of you on some days but we all persevere . So lets be cool with each other we are all here to get rich in one way or the other. Good luck everyone our time will come.
Seddo nice to see someone gets my point , appreciate your responce.
I too was happy the share price rose a bit this week. I have held for over a year at 67p average.
I also found it a bit premature to be celebrating like we had won the lottery. I know from the last year nothing is straightforward with this share, and it could just as easily drop for no apparent reason on Monday. I mainly watch this bb from the sidelines and am sure bonkers is on the same side as all holders ,just he is being realistic and not getting too excited..
Sometimes it’s like a playground on here????
Geeeez mountainous let me make this very clear for you to understand,
If cineworld rose to say 1.10 after everything that's happened last few months I would be celebrating with you.
If cineworld dropped on Monday to say 50p for no apparent reason I would be feeling the pain alongside you.
I simply put that after everything that's happened reading all the celebration comments was a bit premature and made for uncomfortable reading for a s.p rise to 70p.
That does NOT make me negative , I'm demanding the s.p be higher , I'm saying it should be higher, and am saying celebrations should be on ice.
That's all I put in a thread and YOU choose to take it upon yourself to moan at these posters for bringing negative sentiment and ruining the day on that rise.
I simply responded to you period and am amazed we are still talking about me not happy with a 70p rise.
Your other points are baiting for a argument , your feeding egos in the club by defending other egos. And if you take time to read each others posts at times it becomes very hypercritical.
Looks like Bonkers did not get the memo that PrettyWild sent earlier
Who exactly are you to be commenting on people’s use of their money? I can tell you that there will be people who played this share perfectly and bought at 15p and sold at 124p on the dot. Others may have bought at 180p just a week before the pandemic started and here they are. Everyone’s situation is different.
Yes, smalltrader may have sold at a loss, but it is his/her money and his/her choice. One may be less risk-tolerant and may sell at a heavy loss with the hopes of buying in later, for example. Selling doesn’t instantly indicate that you’re not an investor, many may need to pull that money out for personal use or they may exit their position with the intention of re-entering later.
Where the problem starts is when you come onto a bb and start pushing consistently negative outlooks on a frequent basis. If you want to buy up all the remaining float of CINE, or if you want to short the entire float, that is your money and your choice, but if you come onto a bb with a positive outlook for a company and then push a contrasting narrative you can’t expect everyone is going to agree with you.
To clear your point regarding lpd agreeing with you, I would like to direct your attention to the fact that he only said it ONCE in ONE post (from what I remember seeing). lpd did not come here on only the green days and then say ‘why are you all celebrating, it’s barely anything’. From when I learned how to invest, a 7% rise is a great thing and is quite uncommon…
Lastly, if someone is predicting 150p by September, what is the problem with that? Are we no longer allowed to make a prediction? I predict an open on Monday where CINE reaches the same market cap as Apple, where is the problem with that? Indeed, they may seem outrageous to you, but everyone is entitled to make a prediction if they want.
To finish, you say that the rise to over 70p is barely any progress. So if we look at the big picture (as you like to do), what do you think about CINE’s circa 370% gain since the 15p sp? Is that also negligible progress? According to your submission that 70p is nothing to be happy about yet, it is negligible progress in your eyes, correct?
Ahhhh smalltrader we seem to be engaging again!!!! You needn't bother in future , I will take a few mins to respond to you , after all you have took it upon yourself to defend the club.
Firstly being called a bully is laughable, all I did was question why people were celebrating a rise to 70p , most of these people that were celebrating are STILL in the red , my point which was also ECHOED BY LPD was it was to early to celebrate. Yet I get questioned he gets thanks
Because I said something the club didn't like posts were put out about negative sentiment and silly anolgys and I still stand by my point its NOT a time to celebrate a rise to 70p. I have every right to respond to those claims.
Your also a fine one to be talking on investments in cine , you harp on all day about holding shares the future of cine etc etc but your another one who didn't believe in your own hype , you SOLD at a LOSS I might add last year by your own admission , either you didn't believe in the future of cineworld , or you didn't do your own research , you have now brought back in and are still at a loss and I'm amazed that although your a club member you defend this celebration of s.p , so are you a day trader or a investor as you can't be both.
With regards to a previous comment I made and responded too I don't feel its necessary to send you my work schedule and locations, if I say I was there its because I was there.
If you want to start history lessons we could bring up plenty of your previous remarks , my fav one was 1.50 by end of September.
Your all good at predicting the future yet none of you predicted the drop from march highs. Drops its m.ms playing games , rises its because of a film.
Now the majority of you are wanna be lawyers , thankfully there are one or 2 that give a good account of the days proceedings, something I'm grateful for
Hello Dragon9, not necessarily a single negative thought, but when the same people appear on this bb on a frequent basis and constantly spew out the same negative and pessimistic outlook, their supposed ‘investment’ causes some questions to arise.
I really would like to stress that looking at the other side of the coin isn’t a bad thing, in fact, it forms a rational and logical opinion of one’s investment. However as others have pointed out, there is a difference between a fair evaluation and straight up deramping. We have had many many occurrences in this bb where people have brought up concerns regarding the business and they have been addressed appropriately and fairly with a wide range of genuine opinions and views, and it has been received positively by the community in most instances (for example, we had someone today come and ask if we can see 180p and imo his thread was met with fantastic views and opinions of many others here) but when the same small grouping of people come here recurrently and always deliver the same negative outlook, you can’t really have a balanced conversation with them. You address their concerns, and then they bring another problem into the picture, and then another, and then another…
Let me be very clear, yes the 10bn in liabilities is a problem, yes covid is still around, yes cineplex is still ongoing, but have you ever seen me jump to reply to other people’s posts with the same problems nearly every single day? The extent to which some go to bring negativity sometimes astounds me, literally in a trading session when we were up 7% intraday we had people saying it was nothing at all in the middle of the day. If you think it’s insignificant then why are you spending your time to go out of your way and come on here to type up a post about it? It is evidently clear to see that the chronic derampers here aren’t doing it in the name of being ‘balanced’ but rather to intentionally diminish the optimism we have as a grouping of shareholders.
Dragon9, they are very damaging to the users credibility.in BUSINESS AND WORK related emails. Not a chat forum! I doubt you would sign off a business email *Dragon9* either or the place you work.
This is NOT a bank or even a business forum.
I think what you meant to write is that YOU yourself find people using "Emojis* incompetent and loose credibility in your eyes.
I'm sure most who run a business like myself never use Emojis in a business/work related environment.
But here in a stock forum where no one uses their own name is a bit different don't you think? :-) :-) :-)
Dragon9,
The study, published in 'Social Psychological and Personality Science', was based on a series of experiments involving 549 people from 29 different countries.
In one test they were asked to read a WORK-RELATED email and then evaluate the competence and warmth of the person sending it.
The effect can be so damaging, people are advised to avoid them at work and in business emails altogether, especially the first time you talk to someone.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Free read.
https://m.independent.ie/business/technology/news/using-emojis-makes-people-think-youre-incompetent-36032905.html
The fact that you are not able to say - Yes, am invested in CINE says all about you!
Dragon9, why are you posting a link about "Emojis" as it's classed as incompetent in BUSINESS Emails.
For some reason I thought this forum was a chat forum not a business one.
:-)))))))))))))))))))
smalltrader - spot on
As I mentioned in the original post, one cannot be making pessimistic remarks whilst allegedly being invested in the same company. What a complete joke.
Hope you have a pleasant weekend smalltrader :)
DD9, don't worry about my losses. I'm confident that I will get back my money. Except for CINE, rest all in my portfolio are in profits. You win some and you lose some. Don't claim that you are the only smart ass in this world who never lost money on stocks.
Based on your posts, one can clearly see that either you are shorting CINE or you too scared to invest in CINE because of all the crap that you want everyone to believe. You don't post in any other stock but you keep preaching everyone to be diversified :-)
If you are invested in CINE then why don't you tell us why you are invested in CINE? Not seen a single post of yours to support your investment in CINE. All you do is just comment on someone's post. If you are so smart and invested in CINE then why don't you start a new thread and tell us why you are invested in CINE. Let's see what are your thoughts are on why you are invested in CINE.
Mountainous, don't waste your time replying to Bonkers. He is a bully. He always want to get into a fight with someone. Not a single post of his is useful. All utter garbage and worthy of a big yawn! Zero maturity level. Remember he posted early this month saying CINE court case concluded when the court case did not even begin! When the tomtit was caught pants down, he blamed his friend and the internet although he was able to post usual garabage of long paras before that :-)
Over to you Bonkers. Go on mate. Enjoy your weekend.
Good evening Pretty Wild and can I also offer my congratulations on your profit from TUI and commend you on your patience and forebearance over there.
I noted your kind offer to accompany my family group last night. Given your new found profitability you don't need me to take you the Bond Movie. What you really should be doing is creaming off some of your profits and getting some of your lady or male friends together and going to see Bond in style. Make it special with a bit of VIP or a premium seat after a nice meal out and drinks. Not only that but I think you have many admirers on here who would jump at the chance to accompany you.
Just back to Cine (and others) volume backed rises are generally a good signand the chartists on here will have noted the jump through the circa 66.5 resistance and although maybe a little early the 71p resistance.
Roll on Bond and Q4.
That's Great PW!
You have clearly laid out the formula on how to not panic and sell for a loss!
Just keep powder dry and keep buying in chunks instead of all in one go.
No can time the market perfectly. You get in first and then add.
I'm confident that you and all of us invested are going to see bumper profits from CINE in this Q4 and by XMas!
While DD9 is still studying Capital Markets and doing Capital modelling and worrying about finances (his own), we will be making money.
And I second that, exactly what Mountainous wrote below :-)))
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