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To those on the fence, there are refutations at the head of this thread to many points brought up in the 'counter narrative' , read, ask questions, research elsewhere you know what you should do. There are refutations elsewhere to the CWR counter narrative too, or at least some points that highlight the flaws, missing information and poor logic in those arguments.
very low risk then.
As they have already said, they will be purchasing off the shelf items which can include all components manufactured by specialists. They will just assemble.
What is important is that AFC have been working to obtain all the necessary CE marking. This was mentioned a while ago. It has clearly been considered and covered. The fuel cell system will be packaged equipment and will require definitely ATEX and for the fuel storage probably PED for the vessel dependent on volume and pressure.
If its a temporary, mobile unit then permission will probably not be required. It will be subject to normal ADR regs as for any vehicle carrying hazardous product. It will probably need a risk assessment prior to siting the unit but that doesn't take long, and will possibly need temporary fencing off of the H2/ Ammonia tank with warning notices.
which makes it less of a planning issue, which is normally concerned with how the neighbourhood looks.
I don't think you would put the EV charging container in the car park. The EV charging points would be in the car park but you would put the container somewhere out of the way. Not in a premium parking space.
worst case you might need to ensure it is out of sight or screen off, but not insurmountable problems.
If you own the carpark and it's a private business I would say no planning required as its no more than a shipping container I.e temporary.
Cont
Warranty and output, the point about warranty is about risk to AFC, they can offer a warranty whether the product is tested to that period or not, they can offer a nameplate output whether they need n cells or n+2 cells is a risk to AFC. If AFC state a 4 year warranty and 20% of units fail after 3 years (and some will have no doubt about that) then AFC need to pick up the bill, it's not unsellable at that point, it just changes the economics and the potential cost. So if they know they have 3 years in the bag, they could promise 4 and take the final year at their risk the reality of the 3 years will change from usage scenario to scenario, loads, temps, usage patterns etc.
I'm not sure there are any more major points to cover. If we assume it works, there is a market and all of the 'issues' raised are just engineering problems, compared to the fuel cell chemistry they are trivial.
DYOR. This is in part a refutation of some of the points raised recently, this is not suggesting that this might move quickly, it might (not sure what's going to be the outcome of the demo day, but why hold one if it's not ready), or it might not. My personal opinion is that long term there is a need, AFC can fulfill that need, if vapourware companies can be unicorns why can't one with an actual product.
But the engineering issues being brought up here today are non-issues.
Yes H2 is flammable - there are regs for how to work with it - it's just an engineering challenge, there are not irregular petrol based fires, this is a similar risk to the current fual infrastructure.
Yes there is a confined container - there are regs for confined spaces and no-one has to go into it on a day to day basis - non issue.
Distances from Device to charge points, just an electrical engineering challenge which is trivial to solve - non issue.
H2 is/is not toxic in a confined space - so are all gases (and I do mean all) but no-one is in the confined space and there will be shut off valves and such as required by regs (and common sense).
The planning issues, are a bit more interesting.
Do you need planning permission to place a container in a carpark? Unknown - but what we do know is that there is an imminent need to de-fossil fuel personal transport and the grid cannot cope and this is being driven by central government, any issues at a local level will be overturned and in planning applications to have to prove why it should not be done, if the council rejects it and it gets overturned then they lose any benefit, so they only reject what they are certain will not be overturned.
Demand, again interesting.
There is a need for charging points, the grid cannot cope with half Megawatt demands being placed on the grid, and this will be a limitation to implementing charging point, therefore a supportive product has a lot of potential usage. (where I used to work we were hitting the limitations of the power able to be supplied to a small town and we were being fed from two sources) there are limitations.
There is a need for power at peak times, imagine a works/public car park (we used to have c1000 places), even if trickling them, and even if only for a small number of those places the load on the grid would be at peak times, precisely when you don't want it, this would alleviate this issue, power stations take maybe a decade to go from need to live, we'll need 10's of them, or grid scale storage, combined this negates that future need for some of the grid scale storage.
TBC