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shauny… spot on mate....
Oli
That made me chuckle.
Like when you have an affair. You always get caught.
TBF these are all good guys. Evening/nighttime security work so no issues there.
All this reminds me somewhat of Mesit Ozil at Arsenal. Unskilled and on 350k a week. No chance of a move on more money as he is ****e. Turns down the loan move to Fenerbache on 250k a week less but Arsenal are ****e and lack ambition etc etc.
Fair play to you Wolves. Fair play indeed.
@ Shaunymac.
My issues is where this derisory offer will lead.
The last agreement has not been adhered to. Why should this one if its accepted?
The company is hell bent on making money to pay dividends to people like you (and me). This continual attempt to make money will drive down the service we provide on a daily basis.
The USO has to be adhered to in its current format.
Not replacing leavers for months on end is already commonplace.
The pension has already been severely eroded.
Pay rises will be thing of the past. (We should be grateful to have a job, right?)
Changing of hours and duty structure on a daily basis.
So just a few things to start with then.
One other thing though: If your 3 RMG employees are working for you within their RMG time, that may be construed as theft of hours. Something that they want to consider if they want to keep their RMG employment. Outdoor actuals! All seeing.
Shaunymac, you are absolutely correct, it is certainly not your problem even if there was a conflict of interest. The problem lies in the fact that if their RM workplace is on the same patch as your workplace then you can bet your life that there will always be an RM employee that will spot them. I have lost count of the times that I have spotted a colleague whilst on holiday or at a gig miles from home or at a shopping centre that is not in my hometown.
Hi Oli
Yes I understand that but not my issue unfortunately.
That would be down to the individual to inform RM and not for me to do it.
Fairly sure most employers would ask any employee with a second job to sign a declaration. No issue unless a conflict of interest.
Shaunymac, RM employees are required to tell the business of any secondary employment as this affects the Working Time Directive. It may not be an issue for you but it will be for them especially if they have driving duties.
Isle no idea about indoor/outdoor actuals and don’t need to know.
No idea what time they finish. Don’t need to know.
No idea whether they finish early or not. Again dont need to know.
No conflict of interest I’m aware of.
Is your issue your pay and t&cs or the shareholders getting there own way. I’m not sure what getting my own way would be by the way? An increase in SP or some sense in negotiations?
How would this fit into posties being shareholders? How would they get their own way? Is that possible? All so confusing.
@ Shaunymac.
It's good that you know plenty about your employees.
Yes, we do get paid well for unskilled labour. The job however, is probably more demanding than many think.
As for micro managing: Have you heard about indoor and more importantly, outdoor actuals? Ask your employees. They should have.
What time do they finish their RMG job and what time do they start work for you? If they are finishing early from RMG, and you're relying on them to start at a certain time, that will be a problem for you. That would be a real conflict of interests for you, wouldn't it?
Pensions have been eroded since 2008. But still not as bad as basics.
So things aren't that bad for some employees. But they could get a whole lot worse if the shareholders like yourself get your way.
Again thank you.
I really don’t know the ins and outs of it in terms of what the argument is so I don’t want to upset anyone by commenting. I just read there are 3 or 4 posties on here that say what’s on offer isn’t good enough.
What I can comment on is I have a few posties working for me as second jobs. 3 in total.
To quote them not me.
They get paid very well for the work they do. They are not micro managed. They all finish at a reasonable hour to enable them to have a good work life balance and have second jobs (I read the bit about this being declared). The job isn’t technical. They get a good pension. But the thing that strikes me the most about all three is they openly admit they left school at 16 have no qualifications and wouldn’t get this type of money anywhere else with so little stress.
Now I’m not saying all of this is 100% accurate and I certainly don’t work for RM but I see no reason why they would lie?
Again I ask the question are things really that bad?