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(... cont'd from previous) A slowdown in the AMOC could deflect the Gulf Stream somewhat further to the south, since the sinking of thermohaline current draws it northward at present. But the Gulf Stream itself didn't stop flowing even in the ice age. So is the AMOC slowing down? A recent paper suggests there are a number of early warning signs. But as with many such papers, it's all based on modelling and there are other models which disagree. It's not suggesting that the AMOC could grind to a halt but postulates a bistable state and that the flow could switch from one stable state to the other.
This is all music to the ears of alarmist reporters, of course. Tipping points are a vital part of the daily scare story, because when the world doesn't end in nine years as forecast it will be important to have reasons why doom might still be just around the corner. The IPCC makes no such claims. Even leading climate scientists have been embarrassed by the scaremongering and forced to point out that nothing suddenly breaks at 1.5 degrees of warming. The negative consequences just get worse.
So I am not one of those nasty "deniers". I'm just a realist who recognises that the world is going to use more energy come what may, and we need to be able to generate that energy in a low carbon way that is CHEAPER than conventional fossil fuels and is not fundamentally broken like windpower. So I don't say "DRILL, DRILL, DRILL", I say "bring on the cheap nukes". And yeah, since we aren't going nuclear yet (blame the Greens) we'll have to keep drilling for quite a while longer.
donalb: "And PS 'too many numbers" (TM), for an educated man, you seem to be loosing the run of yours elf, with your recent rants about the Greens & their power & influence. Myself, I have choosen to not fly these 5 years, recently got rid of my big car & have cut my home energy use by 40%, using simple techniques & a little thought."
Good for you, but individual saintliness isn't going to cure climate change any more than is Ireland's solo demonstrations of virtue. Sure, there are genuine opportunities to reduce the carbon intensity of the economy, but exporting your carbon use to somewhere else such as we do with Chinese manufacturing isn't an example. Committing carbon hara-kiri isn't a good idea either. Such self-impoverishment is only a good idea if three things are true:
1) the alternative is an existential risk or, at the very least, comes with a very strong likelihood of even worse impoverishment. My reading of IPCC, IMF, and other documents is that that's not true (e.g. IMF documents on the likely loss of global GDP due to climate by 2100);
2) everyone else cooperates. Is China going to be generating 70% of power from renewables by 2030 like us? Not on your nellie. Then what's the point? The developing world is going to double energy usage by 2050 and, unlike pampered westerners, are not going to be fussy about how they achieve it. How fussy would YOU be if you lacked basics like electric lighting, or were dying from inhaling the smoke from burning cow dung, or living in a country of 90 million people who get 90% of their energy from burning wood? (cf. Congo). Most westerners would malfunction without microwave ovens, dishwashers and electric clothes dryers.
3) related to 1&2 -- your policies have to actually be effective. Wind power is not capable of replacing fossil fuel generation, and is only complementary to it if you triple your costs through 100% duplication of generating plant and add new transmission infrastructure on top. It is a truly horrible "solution" unless you believe that the remaining problems can be solved by regional grid interconnectivity and/or grid-scale electricity storage. I happen to believe in neither of those things, nor do I think it wise to be waiting on a technological silver bullet that there is good reason to think will never arrive.
That's why I think Green policies are stupid and ignorant, and bordering on evil. They depend on promoting untrue horror stories about existential threats from climate change. Which brings me to:
"Didnt Manmentia (TM) tell you that we are loosing the North Atlantic Drift, but why care !!!! Drill Baby Drill."
Yes he did, but he's wrong. Firstly, the Gulf Stream is NOT the same as the AMOC (Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current) despite even some "science" sites conflating the two. The Gulf Stream will not stop flowing unless the Earth stops spinning as it is driven by wind and Coriolis forces. (cont'd ...)
Your last post is one of the most idiotic ones I've ever read here - and that's saying something, when one takes into account some 700 posts by that late-departed sociopath TheShen.
What you call 'purile (sic) details' is in fact a detailed literary analysis, which proves beyond doubt the identities of TheShen's other aliases.
Expecting someone like you to appreciate it would be like throwing pearls before swine.
Longwait, you seem to know way to much detail about "The Chein" (TM) & his aliases postings !!!!
Surely only The true Chien could no or even care about such purile details !!!!!
And Mamms could never be The Chien, he is the only one ever, that spoke unvarnished truth about this stock, with his classic, "What a Balls".
And while I am trolling $$$$
Dubhlinn, you stole my earlier word play on the old name for Dublin & Mr Linn, for your new pseudonym. Not too classy.
And its the only mention of Dubhlinn ever on any LSE website, as Longwait's AI software assured me !!!!
Fun fact, I spent a night in Besancon by the river Doub & learned it too comes from an ancient Celtic version of Dubh (Black).
And PS 'too many numbers" (TM), for an educated man, you seem to be loosing the run of yours elf, with your recent rants about the Greens & their power & influence. Myself, I have choosen to not fly these 5 years, recently got rid of my big car & have cut my home energy use by 40%, using simple techniques & a little thought. Way more financially beneficial for me, than this **** penny stock.
Didnt "Manmentia" (TM) tell you that we are loosing the North Atlantic Drift, but why care !!!! Drill Baby Drill.
Also, cant help but think that Manmentia & The Chien have run off into a sunset hotel in Thailand, where a full examination & verification of nether parts, body fluids & assorted venerals can be thouroughly checked out to Manmentia's long delayed satisfaction !!!!
Trolling over now & could people please stay on vaguely relevant topics.