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If it helps Dilbert the amount of consideration I have used in my capital gains computation for 2022/23 has been £9.91 per new share (translated at variable rates from $11.50). This is based on;
- Tranche 1 $6.065853 per new share (received Oct 22 as £5.60 per share (Rate $1.08/£1)
- Tranche 2 $0.918935 per new share (received Jun 23 as 71p per share (Rate $1.29/£1)
- Tranche 3 $0.046594 per new share (received Jan 24 as 3.5p per share (Rate $1.31/£1)
- Tranche 4 $4.47 per new share in tokens (valued as £3.55 per share (Rate $1.26/£1).
The tranche 4 is pretty much a dartboard job given the lack of information from the Bank and has been determined based on feedback in this chatroom of 129 tokens per share with a conjected value of $0.0348 per token. Under the HMRC tax guidance (CG14881) the amount appears to be ascertainable and therefore probably subject to immediate tax. This is my own take and of course you should take appropriate tax advice from someone better qualified than me.
Hi, does anyone know how to calculate a UK CGT loss for shares in NAPS (assuming the way things ended up, we can claim a loss anyway) - apologies if I have missed an earlier post on this ... thanks
Hi jambore
Thanks for that...I missed your post.
Cheers Chris
Hi Chris
See my post a couple down, they have suspended the tokens for now
Has anyone received information about the value of the napster tokens?
I was under the impression that as of the 31st March the tokens will have a value .
Cheers Chris
A classic fob-off if ever there was. They may as well have added that they are stuck.
IMO our best bet would be if they re-winded back to de-listing and IPOed Napster, as they mentioned around that time.
After all, Jon V and co. have even more at stake in this than we do.
Thanks for that jambor.not sure as to what it means, but at least you've had a response. hopefully clarification will be provided in due course.
Got an email today from Napster! I’ve been chasing them for ages re my tokens and this was it!
We confirm receipt of your email. Please note that the Napster Innovation Foundation is currently paused with regard to processing Napster Network transactions while we work on a technical update. The Foundation will hold your request and process your transfer or respond to your request once we resume processing.
We expect to resume processing in Q2, 2024, and we appreciate your patience at this time.
Sincerely,
Napster Innovation Foundation
Does the length of SBF's jail sentence determine whether we crypto or not?
TBH Jambor I think ii can only act on the comms from Napster, who seem to have a haphazard way of going about things. i.e. they have advised HL holders of their allocation but not others like us.
Napster Inc seem to behave a bit like the old UK version. Presumably our (eventual) holding will include the existing streaming side of the business but I have not been able to find details of turnover, profit or even market share. And the metaverse didn't exactly hit the ground running with the talentless brat appearing to throw his toys out of the pram.
Interactive investor are driving me mad! I had such a big holding of Napster so really want to get these tokens in place as they are supposed to be able to be traded as of 2 weeks time! They can’t tell me anything apart from we’re still in discussions with Napster, as they were a year ago. So frustrating. Anyone else received any tokens through Brokers?
Very interesting glennstar
that is very much what i have been hoping would happen im with HL,but i imagine once a solution is proposed/adopted by one platform others will follow.
Tiny cash top up received today from Halifax. No mention of the tokens. In a separate exchange on their chatbot Halifax did suggest that they would getting a third party to receive and sell the tokens then pass the funds to them and onto my accountwhich will presumably happen after 31 March.
Likewise Jambor
Anyone else get a tiny cash top up today? Still nothing on tokens from II
Afternoon albert.sorry you have had a disappointing response.looks like the wait goes on for a proper substantive development.i will post anything i get from HL as and when.
Morning Italian
Had a reply from ii late yesterday p. m.
Just to tell me about lock down which obviously I already know.
Napster were quite curt with them saying they had other priorities and that the tokens would be issued by end of lock down.
I thanked ii for their trouble, but Napster don't come across as particularly pleasant or businesslike.
I don't believe this. They wait a whole week just to ask me what my message refers to.
Is anyone else having trouble with ii ?
Https://www.napster.com/us/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/06/Napster-Litepaper-V1.pdf also if you are interested as to how you may be able to use the tokens you could read the napster 3.0 litepaper which explains the "vision" .the tokens won't be useable/tradeable until end of march(projected date ,so you need to follow the news for confirmation). no idea yet as to value,but there will be 10 billion issued. also ,as albert kindly point out,i have posted the text of the messages i have had from HL regarding how holders on that platform can access them.if,as sounds to be the case,you have the holdings on one of the trading platforms,you may ,of course,get detailed advice from you own platform provider. just to be clear,i am not offering any advice here and this is just my personal understanding of matters.the situation is not straightforward,so if in doubt,you my need to get professional advice.
Italian went into great detail about the tokens yesterday
Hi, sorry for what, no doubt, will be a very naive and arguably "stupid" question.
I have seen I have tokens in my HL account. Do they have any value atm?
What can I do with them, if anything?
Sorry for be thick.
Slightly tarnished by age, albert! or should that be burnished? hope you hear similar from II.
Thanks for all the trouble you've gone to Italian. You're a diamond.
TBH if ii come up with something like this I'd be happy (and pleasantly surprised).Like yourself, given the choice I'd rather stay on the broker's than going the Algorand route, which is too much into the unknown.
Here it is.had to post in two parts,as wouldn't copy the whole. ive also had another one about my sipp, explaining i can't withdraw them in specie, as would be in contravention of sipp rules. i'm probably going to wait to see what else HL say in due course. i really don't fancy getting involved with an algorand wallet, so i'm hoping they may be able to come up with a cash alternative once they become tradeable and have a value ascribed. bearing in mind there are 10 billion in issue i'm not getting too excited! hope this helps albert, at least until you get a reply from II
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