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@st tropez, Chris whitty stated recently he'd be extremely suprised if there is NOT a big covid problem by Christmas and winter 2021. Enjoy the freedom while you can. Safely and intelligently, of course. Avoid busy beaches, protests and young adults who no longer care for social distancing!
When the inevitable markets correction takes place it will be seismic.
The Bank of England have already spoken out about how they cannot continue to provide ongoing bail out funds to the UK Government.
Sunak has check-mated himself, we cant afford further further furlough or any more HMRC TTP arrangements, when there are further lockdowns, which there will be.
The whole deck of cards in the main markets will collaspe once again, all the stimulus seen over the summer was a waste of public funds, just let the weak businesses collapse now, rather than rack up hundreds of billions in national debt dragging out the inevitable.
Most people people understand why its important to let the crap go bust as it allows the flow of capital to the stronger business which can then grow and provide stronger economic growth, job creation and future investment in the uk from the private sector rather than the public purse.
Couldn’t agree more about a false economy. The governments are absolutely inept.
Every town in the country should have access to a free test on demand for every citizen. This is not because I’m invested in GDR or ODX. It’s a basic necessity now until a long term vaccine is found. Instead our governments are too busy filling the pockets of the rich / the donors / the connected ones. Propping up the stock markets... it’s just horrible, but the small people don’t matter.
The whole world would've been better off if the WHO's advice in january of "test,test,test" had been assumed. But politicians always think they know better. Lifestyles change and companies should go bust and other companies should grow accordingly. Far too much time and QE is spent on keeping multi-nationals propped up. It's a sordid, corrupt face of capitalism. If governments cared for the lives of the citizens they are mandated to protect, GDR and companies like it would be 500p+ with huge orders for mass testing. But we live in a corrupt world. Good companies DO not make it, yet bad ones are kept propped up by tax-payers money.
No-one knows whether GDR will get sales even if it is given FDA approval, yet at 120+p per share it needs to deliver sales and lots of them.
Second wave theory
The second or third waves are often portrayed as very likely, inevitable or probable by modelling studies.
A very interesting read:
My takeaway is that 2nd waves appear through a combination of natural immunity dying out in the population (we know immunity to other forms of Corona virus only last temporarily), combined with seasonal reductions in contact, I.e summer school closures and then falling temperatures increasing prevalence of a combination of winter respiratory infections attacking the immune system all of these combining to create the perfect conditions for a second wave.
A bad second wave could absolutely overwhelm the NHS.
They say a second wave is always worse than the first one. Coupled with cold weather, flu, cold, winter, people inside more than outside.
Sir Peter said he had been in constant contact with the chief medical officer, and said it would have been "far better" if the level of testing in the city had been greater.
It is also the case that the lockdown was imposed to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed. A hospital in North London was apparently approaching that, and the Govt wanted to avoid the sort of pictures coming out of Spain and Italy of people dying in corridors. Labour would never ever have let that go. They panicked, and locked down. They were quite open that it was about protecting the NHS. And it is now clear that even a bad second wave won’t overwhelm the NHS. It honestly is not that clear how many lives have been saved by locking down. But the virus is still around, it’s not going anywhere, and Govt will never admit lockdown might not have been necessary. So they will buy good tests, in vast quantities. It will reassure the public, and hey, it ain’t their money, is it?
I'm guessing we'll get EUA approval by Wednesday and Indian approval by Friday....
NewBoy, globally they’re increasing again sadly...
The recent surges in new cases is now filtering through to the deaths counts and they’re rising once more. Test, test, test, we need to reduce the transmission rate and that is only possibly by identifying and isolating those infected.
The Home Secretary says today that Covid-19 has not gone away. Looks like the world will need a lot more testing, and for a long time too with no proven vaccine in sight.
Genedrive has probably the best product in their field ....and should be starting to get substantial sales orders soon.
Time to load up GDR now!
This is a fact of how the uk and many other governments have operated over the past few decades, they are content to allow a situation to escalate until their is public outcry to act (such as 'close the schools' being posted across every social media platform), they then know the public fully on board they take the appropriate action.
It is now a finely balanced political job over the summer to been seen to get things back to normal (pubs open etc) so that the public is not too frightened / concerned overall to send there kids back to school come the end of the summer break.
If we get a succesion of local flare ups. It could get very difficult for the PM over the next few weeks
I think Vietnam has so far done an amazing job at containing it. wish I lived there
The reason the UK is not continuing with strict lockdown measures is an economic one...they want businesses to get as much money in before the inevitable and expected 2nd wave hits and they are forced to. They are letting frustrated people vent off some steam as the weather is making people want to go outside... I doubt all the friggin marches and protests would be so busy if it was peeling down or icy cold.
Equally the Chinese as a society are much more compliant. The are much well versed in virus outbreaks.. take the SARs outbreak not to long back.
Was speaking to my gf, she is of Chinese descent, lots of family in Shanghai. Claimed that due to internet restrictions out there, they are unable to do real research on the virus/its implications and so rumours spread like wildfire and they are generally very fearful of ot due to previous virus outbreaks, as such are more compliant. Add into that the gov their who wont hesitate to enforce.
At the height of their lockdown, 1 member of the household was allowed to leave once per week to go food shopping.
In Europe I can not see it sticking. Look at the photos from the past 3 weekends in the uk. Mooching about like the virus is gone. Our democratic society, in these instances where we have a virus spreading, makes it more difficult to contain and so testing needed on a much wider scale.
Some real insightful posts last 24 hours btw, was a good read.
I can see how local lockdown could work in China where the consequences of non compliance are very severe to say the least.
As we are just about to open the pubs across the UK the government are looking at fully locking down a major UK city?
Will people be allowed to freely travel in and out of Leicester?
to me the UK's strategy is starting to look bizarre. you have everything reopening, and then maybe in one city you impose a total lockdown...
Cut & past from The Times: "It is understood that the government has the power to take action under the 1984 Public Health Act. However, it is unlikely that action will be taken before the middle of this week."
From memory, the local lockdown in italy ended up spreading the virus when people fled that city!
Does anyone know what are they actually doing in Leicester in terms of measures?
Thanks for flagging this. My parents live quite near there. Can't see local lockdowns working very well personally. I think people will just flea the area if they can, a bit like what happened when they tried that in Italy in March. Especially when you consider hotels etc will be allowed to open this week!
What is happening in Leicester?
Can anyone confirm the rumours they might be going into lockdown?
Maybe is should add the daily number of deaths going down, not the cumulative obvs....
The good thing is the number of deaths going down... as treatment gets better the virus gets a lot less scary... Testing will be needed for a long time, it's going no where but we seem to be getting better at treatment...
At least, not in the USA.