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I think it might have to do with the Autopilot other autos trying to spin to discredit this as Tesla is saying that full auto is close. Don't compete on merit just use mates to stir things up big auto have not a hope sales of EV going through the roof and Tesla is leading the pack by a mile.
It'll be the legacy car makers fpvone,they're lost and up the creek without a paddle.
Yea wall Street Journal reported on it so must be true. The fire chief said it took 4 minutes to put fire out and they carried on dousing the car because the batteries were still reacting and there was two bodies in car. Elon musk says data logs show no FSD operating. Some strange things going on here maximum FUD going on.
I think one of the rumours is the driver jumped in back after the crash to escape the flames etc,because its a high profile crash because of the Tesla brand I'd imagine the investigation will be pretty thorough.
Auto pilot is a driving aid it does not drive the car with no input. In the near future it will probably get there Tesla's has the best AI to do this. When you drive a Tesla the instructions clearly state that the driver must be aware and ready to take control at any point. If you want to trust a beta version of software more fool you. But it doesn't matter it is still a tragedy. Another point I do not think your lack of trust in Elon is warranted as he comes across as a man of principle he sees this as an attack on Tesla and wants the facts to be correctly reported. It has not been established that there was nobody in the driving seat some things are unclear as in that the car was not registered as autopilot enabled if so how did the car move without driver.
Bang on fpvone, and that fits with the first part of jep’s quote. Now read the second part of the quote to understand the probable future. ATB
Very brave man to short Tesla. There are several hedge funds and billions of $ down the drain by much more so called in touch people who believed they knew best. In fact so much money it would have been cheaper to build Elon his giga factory for free.
Comments like ''you cannot stop humans crashing into cars''are just gold Chuma.,just a clueless kid trying to be an an adult.
Come back when you become one.
Koffee, stop twisting my words. Be decent like Dogberry. I never said anything bad about tech. I simply remarked that there seems to be a lot of Elon butt kissing going on and the man and his company are far from perfect. We all love Tesla's ideas but just not the price. You seem to be emotionally attached to Tesla and it's never a good sign for an investor to emotionally invest in a stock. The Accident at hand surely has drawn some wild speculation, some untrue and some trivial but the bottom line is that it was a Tesla and the family/ collegues of the deceased distinctly mentioned that these guys were ranting and raving about putting their Tesla FSD to the test. I know you said Elon said they never subscribed to the FSD but he could easily delete the evidence that FSD subscription was live or ever enabled in the vehicle. Trusting Elon whose very real interest is in protecting his brand is a fallacy. Let's try to be objective and allow the real investigators to gather their findings and put the fanboy mentality to one side. If we keep ignoring the truth because we love Elon, then we stand to lose when the danger comes to us one day. Right now the best thing to do is to short the stock and use it as a method to address our concerns and lower the share price as a response to the need for some redress to the issue of safety. We cannot ignore danger. Shorting is indeed a good thing and we must collectively realign our positions to let Elon know we want action.
Forget Tesla for a minute Chuma,what you are saying is technology causes more accidents?
Chump
The number of miles driven per accident is constant it makes no difference if you have one vehicle or ten million it is the number of miles driven divided by the number of vehicles.
This particular accident has some very strange details it occurred on a cul-de-sac with no road markings meaning that FSD would not engage (Elon has said that FSD was not engaged) the two people in the vehicle ended up one in the passenger seat and one in the back seat. The occupants were 59 and 69 years old. The vehicle hit a tree at speed and the vehicle caught fire so not much physical evidence left at the scene.
Some speculation be bandied about concerning drink driving and the possibility that there was someone else driving who left the scene after crashing.
I love your bit about greedy guys sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
Incidentally there are numerous other outfits attempting to solve FSD some in small groups of companies some not even auto manufacturers some allegedly have autonomous vehicles already operating.
Real FSD when it does comes will not feature a steering wheel or driver's side. It will just be a full scale passenger carrying vehicle. Dreams of FSD are too unrealistic and miss out the whole point of progressing towards full automation and eliminating human error altogether. What Tesla is essentially doing is trying to monopolise FSD technology and ignoring the fact that FSD is more effective if it becomes open source just as Elon pretends to provide but really is very protective over the development of his FSd platform. If FSd is jointly developed and worked on with other manufacturers then the trajectory of development will be much better, safer and quicker in transitioning. What is happening is just some greedy guys trying to create a monopoly of FSD cars whilst other manufacturers are left behind which will still present the same problems because if only Tesla's have FSD, what is to stop the cars being driven by humans from crashing into the Tesla cars and just making the progress of Tesla a vanity project? It's like going to the gym and training one arm only over the course of a year, sure one arm is big and toned and developed nicely but the other is significantly impaired. Humans live in a cooperative society and selfishness holds progress to ransom, this is what is essentially wrong with Tesla fan boys. Too silly to see common sense.
Jesus does this kid ever research anything.?
Koffee, Tesla has less accidents because there are considerably less Tesla vehicles on the road. The ratio of 4.5 million miles does not compare to the mileage of ICE vehicles. Tesla is relatively new and so are the FSD systems which are still technically in early testing stages with very little real FSD in legal use. Most of what is in application is cruise control with computer software assisting the driver who is still legally required to be present at the wheel hence the disengagement the minute the driver is absent. This latest accident is a signifier for bigger problems at Tesla, no company is perfect and Tesla now needs to show real accountability and stop pandering to the shareholders. A drop is healthy and the company needs a real correction anyway. Sometimes we fall to become greater.
Truth will come out in a few days Dogberry,someone still has to be behind the wheel at present and no doubt the truth about the incident will be worked out.
News is it must have been going at quite a speed and for it to catch fire like it did is quite worrying at the moment.
Chump
If you have to be winning it will take an awful long time.
Koffee
They have a lot fewer accidents with FSD activated they are 8 times safer. Equating to one accident every 4.5million miles.
I am very interested in the latest fatal accident it appears there was no driver at the controls which means that FSD must have been activated and some cheat in place to fool the vehicle safety system concerning hands /pressure on the steering wheel.
Tesla cars have less accidents,not one for research are you chuma.
I love the many nicknames Dogberry and his cult have for me.....when I'm winning they never say I'm the Champ, they are so quick to call me a foolish Chimp when I point out inconsistencies. Then they say the share price is down because Chump and his crew are spreading FUD. It doesn't matter Whether I'm a Chump or Chimp, because this Champ will Chomp your share price down :) . Anyways, what's the latest news recently? Ah I see , bitcoin facing further regulatory sanctioning from the central banks and Tesla cars killing more people with incomplete FSD software I see.....enjoy!
Chump
Sandy is not trapped in the legacy auto industry if you dig a little you will find that he has been involved in state of the art engineering from working with the US Defence Department, Aircraft manufacturers and even NASA down to to Chinese factories producing domestic appliances.
His stock in trade is disassembling products and producing reports detailing materials suppliers and costings which are then sold to anyone who wants to buy them usually rival manufacturers.
I watched Sandy's take on Innovations and he seems like a great guy but I can't help but notice the strange feeling that he is much like most engineers that have spent most of their lives trapped in legacy motor engineering. Now that he is free to see what free reign for engineering feels like, he has unrealistic and untamed ideals like most engineers. I get it when he says we have no idea of what is possible but the limits are still the same in today's world. Tesla motors will have a make it or break it day of Reckoning soon.
Some interesting and useful insights from Sandy Munro in a presentation to motor industry insiders with comments from Steven Ryan this is the stuff that convinces me that my confidence and investment in Tesla is safe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKu0OFJPdvA
Sandy Munro is the leader at Munro & Associates a company which specialises in tear downs and costings of engineered products (everything from Military Aircraft to Microwave ovens).
Steven Mark Ryan is an entrepreneur and millionaire (mostly made from investments in Tesla).