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Quite frankly Xenor you havent got a clue what your talking about lol. Harsh but somewhat true.
The next person that attributes the move to a pump & dump needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves if this is the game for them lol.
It was not a ‘pump and dump’ - go take a look at the entire market sector for gods sake lol
Lol!! Well to be fair you’re not far off the mark. I do have a habit of getting drawn into debates on here but I’m actually part of the central telegram groups for these stocks. Sometimes I come on here because I simply can’t help myself, because I’m innately argumentative! Lol! Me and wigwammer have butted heads before. All part of a good healthy debate IMO!
What is worrying is your incessant commenting on this forum day in day out. Generally being extremely suggestive and with a bearish undertone but varnished with ‘I’m being neutral’.
The fact for days you were preaching how people could ask you any difficulty of question about the company and you would ‘answer within 3 minutes!’ (LOL)
Yet you didn’t even know they weren’t yet producing it profit!?
Hmmmmmm
Well you’re the one the put the words in his mouth about profit not him lol.
Sang I thought you were the most self confessed researched person in this board!?
4D don’t make any profit lol!!!!
This is why I say don’t listen to people without facts. Sang all week say Stevo’s selling all his shares! Yada yada yada, no, he literally bought a **** LOAD more!!
Im part of other 4D groups and one of the members posted a mail reply from the 4D team on recent market activity.
Also i know it has only just started showing up because the groups also contain US investors who said so.
I dont mean to be rude Xenor but your posts show you are still a novice level investor. You often mention, having all the bad luck, getting spiked, at a loss etc etc. I dont mean that in a bad way but you have a lot to learn about doing your DD, finding an entry/exit, exercising your patience, and cutting your losses.
Lets remember the company narrative has not changed, only the share price has.
Everyone needs to chill. It is not a pump and dump firstly.
- Remember the price ran just right into the weekly 200 moving average which is SIGNIFICANT resistant @150 area. Directly above this is the bottom of the price cluster from our previous high @180. This is a SIGNIFICAN area to beat. Yes we got rejected but this was to be somewhat expected. That being said when we do finally break it, it gives the confirmed signal of the long term bull run and will then act as a significant support for us.
- Up until today LBPS has only just started showing up on brokerages. There is 0 US liquidity atm. 4D team are also aware of this and have advised is can take some days to work so this is why you arent seeing any trades.
- 4D team are aware of the requirement to boost PR machine stateside, however typically when you list you are subject to a 'quiet period' before you are allowed to release news. Also, results day is tomorrow (25th), so the team are also in a closed period anyway!
- IPOs generally do quite well upon listing. SPACs however often have a rough ride post-merger due to the nature of the SPAC. Also post-merger SPAC selling is pretty much the norm. Not much different to the buy the rumour sell the news mantra lots of people invest/trade by. So the turbulent start was to be expected.
- Ontop, we had the placing news, choppy global market conditions, and lots more fear mongering amongst the ranks. Which lets be honest does not create a great environment for buying. This being said i believe now we have gotten this chop out of the way, and also once the results are dont tomorrow. We are actually in a very good position for a lovely drama free period, with a nice stream of news to come, and increased PR. Most of the sellers on both sides are selling out. When we settle i would imagine we will see lots of buying and a retest of the weekly 200.
This is just a very choppy time in the stocks life with loads going on in the background and loads of general market uncertainty.
People remaining to be bullish during a price decline does not make them a 'pumper'.
Equally everyones moaning about a pump and dump. If anyone is to blame for something that appears to be one, its all the wannabe investors/traders that claim they knew a pump and dump was coming and all sold the highs of 140/150. Lol. Self fulfilling prophecy much? All the fearful all squitting their pants anticipating a pump and dump and selling the highs. Maybe if they werent doing this then we wouldnt keep falling back hahah. THEY are the ones who contribute to those price moves lol!!
Don’t listen to Sangi or xenor. The end.
They’ve been bashing the stock for ages. The reality is if they thought it was such a bad/risky investment they would move there money elsewhere wouldn’t they? Obviously. 1000 other opportunities out there.
They wouldn’t stick around in here pedding fear 20 times a day. They would move their money.
Always question anyone who hangs around in a stock forum constantly bashing a stock relentlessly. Either - 1 - they have an ulterior motive. 2 - they literally have no idea what they are doing lol.
Yeh I am a trader lol so what? What traders don’t also have a portfolio with long term holds? FYI I have been in 4D since the 40s.
Also if I wanted my 10% I can get my 10%+ every single day, trading momentum stocks in the US market.
I don’t need to come here in the hopes my words will cause a mass market move to cause a favourable move of 10% so I can exit LOL.
I do it because I love having a tear up with you noobs hahaha.
You poor sod.
Correction - Xenor and Sangi are the worst lol.
I would advise anyone with even a slither of intellect to just plain ignore these people for the benefit of your own mental health lol.
This sangi guy is one of the worst lol
So many noobs in here. Another swathe of investors sulking because they didn’t triple bag on US open yesterday, when you basically couldn’t hardly buy the shares anyway lol.
Rocket79 is more on the money here than most. If any of you did your research you would see Merck and other big pharmas are taking out the smaller pharmas (which they lean on for riskless R&D) for multiples of $Billions of dollars in take over deals many times each year.
Adding to that, if you again did some more research you would see these exact small pharmas being taken out have significantly less than 4D have. Both in terms of their patents, pipeline, progression, and data. Also they do not have their own proprietary discovery platform or their own in house manufacturing facility.
Anyone with half a brain can see behind the scenes the big pharma would have a value on 4D of many billions already.
So the people scoffing at others valuations of upwards of 5-10£ a share, are actually wrong lol. It is clear 4D is worth we’ll into the multiple billions right now, and as it stands.
Just because ****ty aim and squeaky bum investors, many of which continue to pump tripe in this forum, day in and day out, doesn’t make it not so.
Aim did not support the company which is exactly why we are here.
If you were expecting an immediate re-rate the same day a ticker goes live, then get a new hobby lol because you are in the wrong game.
Most people in here can’t even read a chart let alone value a company or understand the market fundamentals lol.
Bunch of whining old grannies.
There are no placing shares to churn through as they aren’t selling the placing shares. These have gone to private ii’s. Not all placings are the same dog trash aim placings.
No volume because the ticker has only just gone live.
Like I said the only people selling are aim noobs. Let them sell. 90% of them sold for a loss probably LOL.
The share calculation is this -
Pre-merger - 1 LOAC = 7.53 4D shares (I.e 1000 LOAC = 7530 4D)
Post merger - 1 LBPS = 8 4D shares (so your 7530 4D/LOAC equivalent now equals 7530 / 8 = 941 LBPS
So if you had 1000 LOAC you’d now have 941 LBPS both of which = 7530 4D.
Also for all the neggy people. You can’t hardly even buy LBPS yet, it’s just gone live. Many brokers aren’t event listing it to buy. Charts not even printing data.
Calm down lol, can take a day or two for all support systems to be up and running.
The only people selling are the same aim noobs that always sell when Duncan farts.
Wrong.
That is all.
You’re so thick beyond belief I’m not even talking to you anymore lol. Everyone says the same thing and you just try and bend it into saying that we agree with you.No. I don’t agree with you. Still. Lol. I literally just reiterated the same thing I’ve always said (regardless of dilution (I’m pretty sure I even still still dilution is irrelevant at this level) the share price will multiply many many times to shareholder benefit) , and you’ve somehow perceived that as ‘someone’s conceded again, now you say dilution is relevant!’ Your hilarious, I hope other people can see you’re a complete joke. You are a very unique an pig-headed individual. Believe me, holders dreams will come true.I’m leaving for good now so you can circle the wolves and draw your boring rain clouds over this forum to the detriment of any new investors.To most of the more experienced ones you stick out like a sore thumb.
LOL. He isn’t conceding anything, stop turning everything around.
The point I am making is we always new we had funding to Q3. We always new funding was coming and soon. No one yet has any idea what deal will be made.
Dilution is irrelevant in the long run at this level. Yes of course everyone would love for us to raise at £10 a share but that’s not business, and that is a very greedy and small minded way of viewing the situation now and with hindsight. The reason we are in this predicament is because of UK investors have muzzled the price to date with fear and worry and irrationality like i said before and they don’t understand the industry. This is why the company is being opened up to allow a new channel of investment.
You can’t have your cake and eat it. The people responsible for holding the price down then can’t be the ones who suddenly want a raise at a higher price. We aren’t at a higher price because of these exact people.
Funding allows ii’s to step in, clear the runway, potentially forever, cast an even greater spotlight on the company. Also let’s not forget these investors may also likely be partners for future trials who provide free drugs (worth millions), inflection points and add much more value indirectly. You’re not going to put a choke hold on that potential relationship just because a few pi’s would rather have the dilution at £10 a share, so we get more bang for our buck than they do.
Yes it is a balancing act I don’t think anyone said otherwise, however people getting the runs at the thought of dilution is ridiculous. The point I made was hypothetical. Even if we raised now at this price point, the potential market cap could still multiple many many times over even if we issued the maximum 40% at this level. That was the point I was making.
Equally like I said this isn’t some two bob aim dog stock I think we can all agree. Issuing stock to high level and specialised institutes in the US who would likely be specifically chosen as they intend to support company growth over the medium and long term...is far different from getting uncle Bob to invest a few million at a significant offering price so he can forward sell his shares in advance into the market at a profit whilst shareholders are forced to churn the shares. These are two very very different things. And we know the latter is all too common in aim, and this is the exact reason why many investors hear ‘dilution’ and sell. Because of this very misunderstanding.
I’m sure whatever deal Duncan cuts will be made in best interest of all parties and whatever deal cut will be done to support the long term growth of the company and market cap.
As far as I’m concerned UK investors can’t kick the **** out of the company perpetually and then get all picky and demanding when the US are happy to take this to an level of growth that we failed to provide.