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If the JV was off why put a weichai board member on the Ceres board 3 weeks ago? Weichai have done deals with Ballard valued at 167 million dollars without issue so we have no need to be that concerned. This pattern is regular in the charts bring the sp down then within 3 months it is spiking back up its just unfortunate the sentiment as a whole has dragged the sp down to levels when Ceres basically started on AIM. The one positive is many of similar companies will fold reducimg the market which is a good thing for Ceres with £160 million in tbe bank with only a small proportion of shares available to PI. Who you going to choose a company with lots of debr, no income and tens of millions of shares in issue or Ceres?
AFC...Not with Mr Bond in charge if he dilutes the share any further you will be left with water.
Noggers
Yes i am still holding to much underwater now nearly 30K trying not to look to be honest in 1 month i may add. Ive been here before with Poly at least here you can get out it took me 18 months to break even over there and bail before de listing.
This time imo the company ceres is good for the medium term / long term. I was warned about AIM stock and have lost on rubbish BOO, AFC and other junk shares to which ceres moving to ftse 250 gave some comfort. I felt and still do feel Ceres is on that transition to another level and if you are out at these prices sub 350p you may not get in once it pops. I still do not understand holding above 1400p i think someone mentioned that takes some b@lls .
I will hold now as the loss is to much im not going to try and trade out as it will catch me out as experienced many times already mentioned.
Itm peaked at around 700p that is now 70p
Ceres peaked at 1500p that will be 150p soon enough. Without anything positive being annouced its a slow downwards slide. The bottom line is they do not have any money making news till middle 2024 other than another JV which is now unconfirmed and maybe a non starter. The market has seen through many JVs now wants the money making news and none of UK based clean energy systems are able to provide it. Combined with just putting money in a bank getting 6% the short term outlook is not good and for me short term Ceres was a poor investment choice hopefully it will bounce back and prove me wrong.
Minimal trades and a 6p drop this is market manipulation shaking private investors out to let the institutions in.
Ceres is debt free none of our competition are in this position its just unfortunate the company is being held back due to the JV annoucement and its overshadowing the other positives like Doosan and shell ventures,
One mistake i do see is the ftse listing lets face it the UK is a dogs dinner and personally i would have listed in the USA if that was possible. Someone mentioned Britain investing in green hydrogen well Britain only ever token invests then sets about taxing it to death anyway.
The board will be applying pressure behind the scenes to get this JV over the line. However the sp will not bounce that much maybe 450p until cash coming in exceeds the cash going out the sp will always be bouncing around. The days of 1500p will not be seen again for many years if ever.
All IMO.
1863
Agreed a definate Hold will come good very soon.
I did a little digging around and Bosch was never mentioned in the Ceres and Weichai deal 2018 for a range extender to be added to buses. I would think thats why Bosch is now on board using their experience in many world markets. The stacks and cells systems are readily available AFC, ITM, BRAMBLE etc Ceres appears to be the only one with multiple backing actually in progress to provide production on a large scale with mulitiple applications without having the headache of turning into a production company. China could well steal the tech but the tech is of today not tomorrow Ceres is very much a tomorrow company and the big investors want this R & D in those future portfolios.
I dont think much interest at the moment lots going on in the world reflected by low trading and sentiment. Oilers doing well which i come out of and invest here feeling a big mistake now but its a learning curve.
Overall ceres is in a good position but this JV is turning out to be drag on the share price does seem to be longest agreement talks in history. I guess thats the main issue lots of talk but no income incomparison to expenditure. As others have pointed out 2024 should be the year to see results hopefully.
Noggers
Even the pros dont get it right i have lots of different investment funds in a sipp none of them in the blue all red over the last 2 years. They say buy on the way down sell on the way up this one will come good 2024.
Wow over 28% down in 3 weeks. I would say it has more chance of hitting sub 200p than getting back to 300p. The lowest price since 2019 year ending. If i sell now it will take off im sure of that.
I do agree with your comparison, infact that is one of the reasons i invested in ceres due to not having a manufacturing element as the UK has never been great at manufacturing but we are very good concerning R & D.
Hopefully some good news will lift the share price but i definatley think there is some MM going on. Maybe Caldwell knows something and hes out to make some serious money.
The markets obviously seen this a negative an act of desperation maybe. Ive only invested in this 2 weeks ago now underwater 20k. I have followed the share and the this board for 2 years waiting for an entry point and i get the feeling im going to regret it. May well be following ITM to a pennies share.
It does not need a reason to tank, oil drops 1% Bp drops 6%.
I have given up trying to figure things out hopefully we will reach £5 by the end of the year...maybe.
The issue is Mr Looney the market does not like his strategy, he has been blessed by high oil prices which has made him look like his ideology is paying off. If during the last three years had oil remained around $70 -$75 dollars per barrel he would of been found out and replaced IMO. The dividend is also a sticking point Bp has shown no gratitude to the long term holders but doubled Mr Looneys pay packet for buying questionable green investments , forecourts, shops and none profitable investments. Still i am happy to hold even though my investment is 10k down in 3 months it will rise again at some point and to be honest nothing is really doing that well at the moment.