Battery talk30 Oct 2019 16:11
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So basically that hydrogen fuel cell is what's called a flowing battery. It has a flowing electrolyte that flows in the electrolytes. In this case it would be hydrogen and oxygen. Now in the, there's a number of other flow technologies that exist in stationary batteries. I recently toured a vanadium redox flow battery from a, from a local startup here in Massachusetts. And, and there's a number of other companies that are going in there and basically they have, a large, they have a stack. All right, well let's go. So called the stack and electrolytic stack where liquid flows of two different vanadium. valence is one, I think vanadium plus two in one tank and vanadium plus three and the other. And it takes energy to move from one to the other. and as they flow, as electric power is brought into that grid, they basically convert all of the lithium ion.
Rick Rys: excuse me, the vanadium ion, components into a, a different valence charge. And that has an energy storage in a water solution of vanadium. and the, they can reverse that at any time. All right. And, suddenly consume that. And so the, the, the, the power generation depends on the size of the stack, the energy generation, however, it depends on the size of the tanks to store the liquids. And so this has a huge scaling factor compared to lithium batteries, which are for twice the storage capacity of energy, you pay twice the price cause you need twice as many batteries cause the whole battery is, is stored in the battery. But in a, in a flow battery for twice the energy content, you just need bigger tax tanks and you don't need, the difference in the stack.
Rick Rys: But vanadium redox flow battery that I looked at had very fast response. They actually said they could compete in the frequency response market. All right. Mostly because of the way the inverters were arranged that they could immediately change between generating and, and consuming power. So at a very fast rate that these are still a kind of a guess, you call it an emerging technology. There is a definite competition. There's a, there's almost a half a dozen, vanadium redox flow battery companies with different patents. And I, I T you know, intellectual property that are kind of competing to get a foothold. They, their disadvantage of courses that they don't have, the advantages that lithium has in terms of manufacturing production level and the economies of scale of producing these things at scale. So the first lithium batteries, you could expect to be a little bit expensive, but there certainly is the potential that that, F, flow battery, even though it's way too heavy to put in a vehicle, for example, would, would be a, a, a viable solution for electric grids. You know, beyond four hours of storage.