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Oli,
Fair point.
Some had a lot more than six, my local office in London is pretty big and they had more than six out yesterday afternoon, but I would guess 99 % were not present considering the size of the actual building.
So in that respect it was an unpaid holiday for most.
I also understand why the employees are striking, but the £758 million profit that Dave Ward keeps going on about during every TV interview, he needs to understand and come to terms with the fact that money has been spent, it's no longer available. Yes, the BOD mismanaged that situation and under normal circumstances the current CEO and Chairman would be held accountable, but in the midst of industrial action, neither will be replaced.
Lot's of disruption this weekend with the rail strikes on the eve of the Marathon.
Hopefully they work it all out and both sides come to compromise.
At least until the next time.
JB, I may be incorrect regarding my comment about DOMs being non operational, however when the last management VR exercise was carried out, our local DOMs were complaining that they had only been offered one year's salary and not two which is offered to operational managers.
I was talking to our engineering union rep yesterday and he told me that the engineering managers last week had been informed that their posts were being withdrawn "in the very near future". Sounds as though they will be utilised throughout the strikes and then discarded? I also hear that something similar is being talked about with regards to the fleet managers but only hearsay at the moment.
teslo, "I just scanned through the pictures uploaded to social media to get an idea of numbers of the picket lines, it 'seems like at least 80 % used the last 2 days as an unpaid holiday rather than standing and showing camaraderie with their colleagues."
The reason that picket lines look empty is because under the current restrictions there can only be six employees on a picket line per workplace. There's also a raft of measures that successive Tory administrations have brought in to make it very difficult for trade unions to strike. Another one is "wearing or displaying incorrect strike action information on placards or clothing" so for instance the last couple of days have been about terms and conditions so it would be illegal to display a placard saying that the strike was about pay.
RMG should ask OfCOM to benchmark and test the company's cost efficiency against that of its competitors in the same and similar sectors.
Maybe then Ofcom will finally recognise and realise that delivering the USO and meeting the demands of the CWU actually becomes impossible, unprofitable and unworkable.
Either that or Ofcom needs to allow for further price increases, especially in stamp's so maybe then it does become workable.
GLS, is currently subsidising the USO in the present climate, imagine working for them and looking all these people on the picket line who are in many cases not fit for purpose especially in a changing, demanding and physically business environment.
Further strike action and RMG as a PLC will likely be reporting group losses for 2022-23, which does have a small positive in that they can claim back losses on the tax paid in the last couple of years. Long-term it will all come out in the wash.
Looking at the pictures of picket lines over the last couple of day's it's no wonder the company wants to introduce " light duties " for the over 55's. 20 % of the current workforce were still off-sick at the beginning of 2022 and when you have a geriatric workforce doing what is a physical job it's easy to see why they're falling apart physically.
Of the 20 % on " sick leave ", guaranteed the highest proportion of those will be in the over 55 category. I'm actually surprised the CWU didn't have the St John's Ambulance on standby during the strikes, just in case any of you kicked the bucket, but then again, many of them will have years of experience standing around doing nothing.
I just scanned through the pictures uploaded to social media to get an idea of numbers of the picket lines, it 'seems like at least 80 % used the last 2 days as an unpaid holiday rather than standing and showing camaraderie with their colleagues.
I hope all the RMG employees who post on here stood firm on the line for BOTH of the last two strike days.
As others have said, eventually people will start looking out and protecting themselves and then it all falls down, it will likely start first thing tomorrow morning when they all return to work, looking to book as much over-time and ghost hours as possible.
Anger
When I was a rep...the hardest thing I found was how hard it was for most to take there foot off the peddle..it was a case of this is where we want to be and we are getting there no matter what...
My take on it was always ...that's where we want to be...we may get there at some point...
You have to no when to step back,regroup and go again...this lot have no clue what so ever...even when told there will be job losses...its full steam ahead...a job is a job...no matter who's it is...in which department...it doesn't matter...someone life has changed...for any one, especially a union rep to say they don't care about that senerio,I find disturbing...
As I have said...it doesn't matter to you until it is you...then it's every man for themselves...that's when things crumble..it starts with one brick...that first brick imo has crumbled...ducks will fall in line...
Oligarch thanks for posting re redundancies. Was this a communication to the managerial group that are impacted. It may have changed but I certainly knew DO managers as being operational. Do you know what group w are talking about, Mail Centre ops managers? Transport managers?
As far as I know there have been a small number of redundancies ongoing in some non operational areas mainly support functions such as account managers, customer service etc. This sounds like a complete new area being targetted.
Oli ward
Oli….still laughing at your comment….when it affects them….let’s see the posties still stood on the picket line when it does start to affect the …I will be calling you lot little ducks…when you get back in like…lol
That Magic one liner you have just said in you post….that I mentioned weeks ago
….when it affects them….
As soon as **** that’s coming the posties way hits them…everyone looks after themselves…seen it,been there,many times in the union game….
Everyone looks after number 1….guess what…it’s coming:-)
10
@ Maximas. Your post 1.10.22 @ 18.42
""""Oh dear…the worst thing that can happen when striking…losing the general public…keep striking boys…dipped my toe in last week,and will on further weakness..:""""
Your post 30.09.22 @ 11.49
""""This get funnier and funnier…so let’s think out of the box…the company’s in a bad way…let’s say admin…-)""""
So in the space of 18 hours we go from the company being in a bad way and administration (where shareholders come last) to investing more of your thousands.
I'm sure you'll change your mind again. But please, do tell us here. We could do with a laugh.
Certainly…made that much last time iam not playing with my own money…you keep striking…you keep shooting yourself in the foot…let that share price slide…let me buy on the cheap…then hopefully once the time is right…sell so I have more paid for Madeira hols…70 degreas yesturday,supposed to be nicer today…and just so you no for future reference…I will buy more if there’s significant drops…this is actually a small investment in the bigger picture of my portfolio…it does make me laugh how union reps get blindsided,they carnt see the wood for the trees…it’s so hard to back down once you’ve spouted off..
Just off for breakfast…catch you later dave…sorry oli..
@ Anger.
Maybe you should let Maximas1 respond himself.
Yesterday he posted that the company was in a bad way.
Today he posted that he'd dipped his toe in last week.
So,he bought. Told everyone the company was in a bad way. Then the following day told everyone he'd bought in, prior to telling everyone the bad news.
Are you two related?
@ Anger.
""""It’s obvious what you need to do to resolve the customer dissatisfaction. Do what you were employed to do. Simple’s."""
But i do. So how does that help all these cancer patients that you're talking about?
Please tell me and everyone else here exactly how i (and my colleagues) could resolve the problems that you posted here earlier.
You know everything about delivery. You know how much time i make every day. You know where all the savings can be made.
Maybe this is a management issue? Recruitment issue?
But it can't be, can it?
"OliGarch - ‘I have just received notification that managerial redundancies have been announced. Only about thirty at the moment but it could be the beginning of the end.....
The hatchet man cometh.....’"
Oh dear at least they're realising where cash is being wasted.
@ Maximas. Your post 1.10.22 @ 18.42
""""Oh dear…the worst thing that can happen when striking…losing the general public…keep striking boys…dipped my toe in last week,and will on further weakness..:""""
Your post 30.09.22 @ 11.49
""""This get funnier and funnier…so let’s think out of the box…the company’s in a bad way…let’s say admin…-)""""
So in the space of 18 hours we go from the company being in a bad way and administration (where shareholders come last) to investing more of your thousands.
I'm sure you'll change your mind again. But please, do tell us here. We could do with a laugh.
@ Anger.
I don't think DW was talking about managerial grades.
As far as i'm concerned their jobs are a bit like the hokey cokey.
Besides they have their own union looking after them.
And also, i don't give a f**k!
@ Anger. 22.40
""""IsleworthSpy - ‘Isn't this the point of the strikes? Shame that some are inconvenienced.
Royal Mail have been doing this since 2013. Nobody gave a f**k then, apart from the posties. And it's only gotten worse.
Why should the posties give a f**k now, when walks are failed on a daily basis?’
I thought maybe you’d have some concern for a recovering cancer patient waiting for a letter for their scan.
But f**k em eh??""""
Probably the most imbecilic statement ever.
Any postie on here will tell you that duties fail daily. Sometimes weekly. Read the negative comments you posted earlier.
Whose fault is that?
What is wrong with me adopting the Royal Mail managerial position on letters and untracked items?
That's what the managers and shareholders want. It saves money. Us posties hate it. But we can't do anything.
The level of hypocrisy that you display is astonishing.
Tell me then AngerEinstein, what should i (we) do, do, do??? To resolve this customer dissatisfaction?
@ Oli G.
I'll post it as it's shown.
It's odd that you say that COM's are non-ops. When the COM's were about to go on strike all non-ops had to cover.
Also, all non-ops got their vouchers for attending this Saturday. Thompsons words were: " Saturday 1st October is not a working day for non-operational managers".
@ Anger.
18.10 post.
Isn't this the point of the strikes? Shame that some are inconvenienced.
Royal Mail have been doing this since 2013. Nobody gave a f**k then, apart from the posties. And it's only gotten worse.
Why should the posties give a f**k now, when walks are failed on a daily basis?
Ispy, these are operational manager posts. Delivery office managers are categorised as non-operational. This makes a lot of difference when VR is on the table.
@ Oli G.
Managerial redundancies? Are you sure?
Why is there a 3ft x 4ft poster in my office advertising for managers.
If i decide to go to work on Monday i'll post chapter and verse for you.
More surprising is that if this should be true, it's DW's fault. APPARENTLY!
Oli
That Magic one liner you have just said in you post….that I mentioned weeks ago
….when it affects them….
As soon as **** that’s coming the posties way hits them…everyone looks after themselves…seen it,been there,many times in the union game….
Everyone looks after number 1….guess what…it’s coming:-)
AngerSharkz, these are CMA/UNITE management posts not CWU represented grades jobs. I get your drift but perhaps Thompson has realised that he doesn't have enough posties to start making cuts from the bottom of the pyramid so he needs to start from the top? I would imagine that if they asked for management volunteers for redundancy then there wouldn't be a shortage as there was a huge surplus when they announced the 2,000 manager redundancies a couple of years ago and quite a few missed out.
I have just received notification that managerial redundancies have been announced. Only about thirty at the moment but it could be the beginning of the end.....
The hatchet man cometh.....
AngerSharkz, if I was running a small business, or any sized businesses for that matter, that relied upon couriers, I would certainly have a contingency plan especially in the knowledge that there has already been three separate strike action days.
Sure public support may drop but given that we are where we are then I think it's worth pursuing. If we back down now it's a race to the bottom and the service will be run into the ground anyway.
@ AngerSharkz
For the kind of money they get where are their ideas? I dont really care how much they get as long as they have ideas to grow the company. I only earn 29.400 a year and I have more ideas than the CEO. Why RM have not gone into the frozen food market for delivery? Why RM have not gone into cargo business, why RM dont start a business to offer the service Amazon offer. We have better network and reach than Amazon why dont they make use of it. I am not saying offer what amazon offer but you can start with 20 to 30 products and build.
In the end all the top boys they there for short term and they want to maximise their profits, jump ship and go to other company and do the same.
You are aware that they selling their own buildings and move delivery offices into rent. in long run how stupid is this? They only care short term!
I wouldn't call a few bad reviews out of a population of 68 million people the end of the world. There will probably be less complaints than when we are back to work! As for the one that ordered contact lenses before realising that we were on strike.....presumably they weren't able to read a paper or tablet?
NHS appointment letters? I seem to remember before the pandemic that several posters on here saying that it wasn't important and who waits in for a letter anyway....lol.
Notwithstanding the NHS usually send out appointment letters weeks in advance. If it's really important they will phone or text.
It's funny how the public all clapped for key workers like the NHS however this soon changed when they couldn't see their GP or get a hospital referral. So it's okay..... until it affects them? How did they think that we would protest.....a couple of Morris dances in the car park at lunchtime....lol
Personally, the train strike affected me this weekend, however, I did read the news, I did review my travel plans and I did get to where I wanted to be.
Never forget, you have a choice.....
@ AngerSharkz
If we are in such dire situation why do RM reward the top clowns ?
Simon Thompson, £753k/yr + £140k bonus
Mick Jeavons, £1.3m/yr + £847k bonuses
Martin Seidenberg, £1.6m/yr + £1m bonuses
plus 900.000 shares for free few weeks back.
Let the leaders of Royal Mail show the way to the rest of employees with no more free money award to themselves and the rest of us will follow. During the pandemic those clowns were sitting in their homes doing some zoom calls and thanking the posties for keeping the country connected. I did not see them refuse the 300.000 shares given for free because the company don't have any money. Just because you are CEO don't mean that you not morally bankrupt!
This clowns do not have any ideas the potential RM have, we go to 32 million address daily (not on strike days) and all they come up with to make money is to attack the workforce. It was the CWU that pushed for tracked items to be delivered in the afternoon and Sunday. The management did not want to entertain the idea of working afternoon and Sunday. Guess what, they still think the same. Please tell me what ideas the CEO has to make money without attacking the workforce. I remember 6 years ago I was the one saying in CWU briefing we deliver to every house in the country, why dont we pick up the packets from customers for next day delivery like our competitors do. It took RM 3 to 4 years to implement it. The top people within RM dont have a scooby do and in my opinion they are crooks!