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Ok. Thanks Fubs.
Hey, Putty. They really are names from a dark past!...remember them well but never in contact with them directly. Wonder if Celtic is still sticking up for Range.....he was the most pro-Range poster I've ever know lol. Range could do no wrong in his eyes.
Ha ha Pie Man. I think me and you are thinking along the same lines. The posters you mention wlll be in the dock. Not sitting with Gordon and the prosecution team.
Hi Sean - tbh I have followed the boards over the years but the first post I put on here a few days ago is the first post I have ever done.
I did try to register on WS but it would never let for some reason. I did sign up for RIG and if memory serves me correct they have a forum for a brief while that I did register for but never posted
I had an email exchange with one RIG rep once (cant remember which one) but other than that I have never had any contact with a fellow holder.
I did send PL a very strongly worded email once giving him a piece of my mind - was pointless I know but I suppose it made me feel better ( he probably didn't even read it)
Hi Sean and thanks. I am lucky to have survived the journey so far but with all this stuff having been resurrected, I have a feel theres a way to go yet! I guess the survival instinct kicks in and drags you through. When it all kicked off 5 years or so ago I went on anti depressants for a brief while. That was fun. Tried them once but never again. What a mess.
Can't access ws, unable to login. Would be useful if anyone else can get on there and spread the word ??
...just quickly following on, if it is a matter of keeping your identity a secret at this stage, I made a new, anonymous email address which took a few minutes, and sent my losses through to Gordon that way....it was 'mickeymouse@....'...lol. it does not matter at this stage but at least Gordon can keep you in the loop that way.
Hope this helps someone??
Btw, I'd happily give Gordon my main email address if wanted it having spoken to him!!
SS1 - wow thank you and genuinely likewise – I totally understand the feelings you must have been having when discussing this with Gordon. After leaving it behind and trying to move on it all getting dragged back up and re-living it takes so much out of you – and hats off to you for having the balls to lay it all out on here.
Your story and honesty is what made me do the same and together now with the masses we can fight back for what they have put us through.
We most definitely seem to have been down the exact same path to this point in time. Like you I had totally disconnected myself from all this and seems a strange twist of fate (in a good way) I just had a look at the BB after probably over a year and found all this action going on with Gordon.
I sincerely hope for you, me and the thousands of others the powers that be are made accountable for what they have done to us all and justice is done.
Blimey, Six, I have so much respect for you posting what you have but I've got to say, you situation, then and now is like looking in the mirror.
You mention this all opening the flood gates again on this and you're right, I too am feeling the anger and frustration coming back. When I first spoke to Gordon it was the hardest thing I've done for a long while, taking that decision to reopen the can of worms. So hard as it was, whilst I was speaking with Gordon for the first time, I was overcome with anxiety. My heart was racing, sweating profusely and felt a total body fatigue. At one stage I was, from out of nowhere, overcome with emotion and found it difficult to speak. The rest is history.
The only thing that spurred me on was in wanting justice for us little people. You know you see all these sorts on TV with their noses in the trough and yet folks like us work 40 years or more and get spat out and crushed if we dare step out and try and earn a little more for ourselves with our hard earned.
Well, I said 'no more' will I stand by and take it. I stumbled across mu's post and thought, this is our one and only chance to.try and get justice.....so I took action, as hard as it was.
Finally, I mentioned this a while back, as damage as we are from all this, if you can find it in you to back Gordon, see it as 'therapy'. A final fight with the last once of fight you have left in you. There are no guarantees here but one thing we can do is try.
Gordon Bowden at Pandora’s Box Investigations Limited (Company Number 09712633) as follows:-
7 Westleigh Avenue
Derby
DE22 3BY
Tel: 07949 388908
E-mail: rafbowden@yahoo.co.uk
thanks mu - that is a really good idea and something I had never thought of - Gordon is contacting me once he has more details on the second event , I will certainly let him know what has happened and see if he will allow the other people affected to join us.
All this has been bottled up for a long time - I very rarely check the boards now as seems pointless but when I did and read SS1 post it opened the floodgates for me and thought enough is enough - we all have our own stories to tell but what it has done to SS1 goes way beyond anything that should happen from an investment all caused by the lies of this shower
honesty is the best policy and I have been and will be open an honest about my experiences - your right it takes a lot but sharing an knowing your not alone is so helpful
hi sean
I know what you mean, I have had every emotion you could think of during this turbulent time ( and I know all others scarred by this company like me will have had as well)
I was once HAPPY with this share - it went from 16p to 24p not long after I got and I thought my luck had finally changed! - how wrong I was and those days are long long gone.
Since those early days there has been nothing but turmoil and a lot of dark dark days have since followed.
I have been ANNOYED at myself for not taking selling opportunities , ANGRY at lies ( Puntland oil to water)FRUSTRATED with lack of progress on the "world class" TT asset over the years - UPSET at losing all my investment - SAD & EMBARRASSED for losing family and friends money - the list goes on
This share consumed my whole life for 7 long years until for my own sanity as hard as it was to take I had to accept the inevitable that the company was doomed , my cash and family and friends cash would never be made back
I still feel very aggrieved personally and reading what this has done to SS1 (and will have done to many others) the anger is coming back
The list of 'points of reference' are a plenty.
To name but a few:
Companies House
Rns's
Emails
Complaints to FCA
Bulletin Boards
Audit Trails.
Bank accounts
The list goes on. Anyone who doesn't think we have a good fighting chance here is mistaken.
NOW is the time to join the cause.
ss1 totally agree mate - anyone trying to discredit Gordon at this stage I can only assume is running scared. We can all judge when its over but not sure how anyone can be wrote off before anything has happened. I foolishly used to listen to the rampers and believed them for some reason over the ones who were level headed and advising pi's to be careful but I have to take blame for that one - I guess I just wanted them to be right more than the ones staying neutral or even de-ramping
hi mufcm - just had a quick look , all we can do is take Gordon at his word, get behind him and see where it takes us. Gordon seems very confident in what evidence he has got and I'm sure he will do everything in his power to get justice for us PI's with the support he is now generating. The way I see it we have absolutely nothing to lose and if we fall short then at least we tried, and id rather do that then sit back and do nothing
Exactly SS1 the regulation of these companies is farcical - from experience these companies will come across the smallest traces of oil knowing full well it will never be commercial but will report "oil shows" knowing PI's will jump in on this "news" SP goes up - them and their mates get in low, sell at the top of the spike before releasing the bad news - seen in so many times over the past 10 years
they will say to the regulators well there was oil traces to justify the news - well that's if they are even pressed by the authorities - its sickening
Hi Burma
A few years back I tried to recoup losses from rrl in New world and that also went bad, it was a similar story the end when they were drilling the rns would give hope "findings are in line with expectations " then final results would be duster
I lost more money and have not put a single penny into AIM since and never will this market is rotten to the core and company's just get away with it
*Naive!
No it's not right Sean. In my native, early days here I thought posts like that were genuine lol. See it for what it is now as this company is almost a corpse. Smacks of boiler room tactics imo.
here here mufcm - your exactly right and that is why we have to all get together and do this - there are far to many of us been hurt to just sit back and take it
after losing my self managed pension to AIM, RRL and GKP included, the only investing I'll ever do now is the premium bonds, at least I'll get my stake back if I don't win a million.
I've contacted Gordon and received a reply the same morning. Looking forward to the outcome of his investigation.
Spoke to Gordon at length a few weeks back so sent him email after that but have had no reply back from him since ?????
thanks SS1
I honestly feel better just having contacted Gordon. It has been one hell of a long road for us all and it feels like we are at the end with nothing to show for it. This IS our opportunity to salvage something and get our own retribution against the company that has damaged so many
Gordon is adamant he will get justice for us all and I for one firmly believe him.
But as you say WE ALL have to come together WE ALL have to fight back - the start of that is just one email or call to Gordon - where it takes us we will have to see but I am more than ready to have a go with him
Ent all in on the 100% TT acquisition , I agree we all risk losing capital when making investments and greed can play a part ( human nature) but on this occasion we have been invested in on lies provided to us by the company and that’s the part that is the hardest thing to take from all of this
I contacted Gordon on Monday and got a prompt response, he has assured me justice is coming. I am not available for the meeting early august but he has confirmed there will be more meetings due to the demand
Its time to take action and fight back – I advise you all who have lost and suffered to do the same
This post is 10 years in the making, apologies if I rant on but it is a long time coming.
Like so many others, I have been torn apart by this company losing everything (yes the majority paper loss as I still hold hoping for a miracle, but I might as well say ive lost it as there is no way back from here)
I am also responsible for losing money for family and friends, stupidly advising them to invest in this disgrace of a company - even though I had the best intentions of them getting a good return – therefore this has also obviously caused major issues in my personal life
All in all the experience has been traumatic and I will never EVER EVER go near the AIM market again once this is finally all over.
What will the end be ? who knows but it won’t be a good one for us PI’s that is for sure.
I can only see the company going into administration and a sell off of it assets – I honestly can’t see any other way out (unless they are successful in the law suit against Georgia which lets be honest is highly unlikely
I like everyone want at least some investment back even if to feel like the past 10 years has not been a total waste of life – every day in 2013 I watched the share price every day hoping and wishing for it to climb – unknowing in the background the mess that was being created)
Watching this go from 24p to 0.02 defies belief – I invested at 16p, 18p then 12p on the way back down 8p and 4p ( again stupidly thinking it cant go any lower!) and this is all down to the lies, deceit, shocking decisions and another word I don’t want to use by that gap-toothed see you next Tuesday
Let’s have a look at what we have been through and to date what the company has got away with
Puntland Oil to Water
Texas – £25 million sale to an un-named company , like there actually was one!!
Merger with IP ( I remember reading something about this deal being made in a bar in Kazakhstan!)
Georgia sale ( I cant remember the exact figure but again it was highly exaggerated If I remember it was a poster gifted genie who was providing “ In the know details”
Wonga loans with Hudson bay
Georgia Granite
The stock mailer or whatever it was called
Numerous suspensions
Dilution dilution dilution with placings at ridiculous levels ( the last one was the biggest piss take)
And the final nail in the coffin taking over pre-schools !
On top of that the RUM ramping , the 12p by Christmas on world stocks , eye in the sky poster who was on site at Puntland - you just could not write the script, how they have got away with screwing us is beyond ridiculous
There will be things I have missed but we all know the gist
My first investment in AIM was encore oil – they were actually ok until the tax on the north sea then the sp plummeted but I got back the majority of my investment when premier oil bought them out.
After that I was looking for my new investment and Range was the buzz company at the time and seemed like they had it all set up to be successful, I we
Perhaps the postive posters for rrl think they'll find oil at the bottom of the kindergarten sand pit.
Lol. Takes me back to when shares were issued like confetti. Landau and co. were great at issuing shares lolol
There went many rns's that came out without a dilution tag line....remember it well lol
10.2 BILLION SHARES IN ISSUE....no less.