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* within holding guidelines
Even off book though they still have to report without holding guidelines 3% plus etc.
No. I think the total amount needs to be recorded each day. Not necessarily at the time of the trades but by end of day. This only applies to off book. People deliberately do these trades for obvious reasons - accumulate or sell large amounts of shares without people actually knowing if it was a buy or sell as they could be several smaller trades as well as being traded made hours earlier yet time stamped later
So if that is the case it must be a bloody big order there filling
So .... if a huge massive order was placed by the company wanting to take control it wouldn’t need to be recorded until the whole order was filled?
and if the bulk of that buying was done in off book trades only one side of that trade needs to be recorded ?
It was then I looked a little deeper and discovered these rules.
Yes. It’s twice happened to me. As I always believe each trade had to be recorded at the time etc.
They don’t have to report both sides. It’s a very odd rule. I discovered this a while back.
So it wouldn’t get recorded until the whole order has been filled?
I’ve posted in the past about a similar thing that has happened to me twice before. I was trying to buy a decent amount of shares in a small illiquid company. Say £25k worth of 10p company x shares Obviously no trade so I put in an order. I’ve seen after an hour order partially filled. £6k worth at 11p. Then another partial £5k at 12p and so on. Until I’ve got £25k worth at say 11p average. But it hasn’t shown until 4.45 pm as one trade of £25k at 11p. Whereby the share price is up to 13p with my buying yet it looks like an obvious sell.
Well fellow investors it may not have come today but as you can see from the late trades there was a little matter of stake building left to do by certain parties. So fully expect some boombastic news tmrw morning. with a swift move to new recent heights. you only need to look at the final position of the abandoned Baby Bullish and bullish doji Star... need I say more.
FOMO must be kicking in now....
Midas so if they decide to report the sale side how does the purchase get reported and in what time frame?
If these are purchases ... where from?
and if they are sales .... where are they going?
I wonder because I’m sure I Remember being in a share that had takeover interest ( not rto ) and trades were reported days later than they should have.
Mark there is a Suisse investment company (and others, think this is happening at VALRX too) that buys shares on behalf of its customers. So their buys which could exceed an amount that raise a TR1, but they are for private investors. Thus no TR1. Softly softly catches monkey. What do you think?
Off book trades do have some advantages. The most obvious one is the reporting of the trade. Say two mm’s or a mm and an investor do a trade off book - they only have to report one side of the trade. Say they buy 1m shares off one MM for 1p and sell 1m shares off book to an investor for 1.1p. They can decide which trade to report. So they could report 1m shares traded at 1p or 1 m at 1.1p. Makes it nearly impossible to decide if it’s a buy or a sell. They can also report the time as the time they bought or sold.
I was in one share when the company had to issue a RNS asking them to come forward. All fun and games but like we all know that something big is going on . Gla
Looks like Iclaprim could be topping gla
Roy I’ve been surprised by the number off shares each day since last Thursday that have been recorded as off book trades flippin loads of them. I don’t know if there is some kind of loophole when it comes to reporting (TR1) in these circumstances but it does seem odd to me.
As always holding to find out!
Are they selling to potential partners with skill sets that enhance a RTO? If i was a specialist I'd want a slice of the cake. Namely shares from a big holder. Off book of course. To make a cake you need more than just the ingredients!! You need friends. Synergy.
Holding tight
So Let say all the late buys now are sells off book . If that is the case someone or some institute could hold around £1m pounds worth of shares. Brought between 0.76 and 1.3 . There about. I’m hold tight for the big pay out gla
https://www.londonstockexchange.com/stock/MTFB/motif-bio-plc/trade-recap
Exactly!
Yes I see what you mean . They sold them higher then the ask . Off book so who brought them . Why would anyone put this much money in mtfb . Something big is coming you can just feel it . Gla
No they were definitely off book trades I checked on London stock exchange site. Makes you wonder don’t it?