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some prople got robbed on that dip to 74p.
77.50p UT close. not too bad.
77p+ close?
not much diff. between buy and sell volume.
looking better now into the close. 77.60p paid.
74p on the bid. disappointing day so far.
And as for you Hawfinch, why don't you proceed us give us your lengthy rationale and analysis?
Ocean doesn't have a debate, I've been there already. Prior to him getting banned for his lies though, he has dedicated each day of his life to the TED board and talking down a global business that has a £80m enterprise value!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The worry for him daily of course is a much bigger global player comes in and takes TED out at a premium to his short :) :) :)
Ain't nothing emotional about a £400M debt serviced by a £70M declared net loss and reported sales decline. But for sure bring on the debate - other people may have opinions too :)
With reference to other people's opinions I can confirm that considering other peoples points of view i have been able to gain profitable market incites when their comments play into other market opportunities I'm interested in. I find debate valuable .
I would make a lot less comments if people disagreed with substantiated comments with any reason or a good reason. I also believe there are incites to be gleemed from considering other people point of view. The process of debate I find helps develop a better view of the market.
oceanpassage
why are you here exactly? ...why would you want to buy in at a lower price if the house is burning down ??
sounds like you are here purely to spook unsure holders into selling.... who are you doing that for?
Institutions operate differently to retail and require a larger placement of shares. To get that larger placement institutions may have to pay more than retail investors in a declining Market. You are right to say I missed a short opportunity, and indeed many other market opportunities, but I don't dwell even for a moment on this as the market will always offer new opportunities in the future. Congrats on your short position, a superb pick from £10. I think you should be a bit more open to other people's opinions though.
That's right you missed out on the massive shorting opportunity that did exit and are still struggling to cope that you missed out on the the big one :)
Such a shame the City had to buy into the new CEOS vision and get behind this at 75p isn't it :)
Sorry to disappoint, and as I have said before, I never held a short position for ted.
Cash is king when you are not loosing money. Cash could be viewed as A fixed asset in a profitable company, but is closer to be a variable asset in a loss making company.
Diminishing value lol
Cash is king. TED have more cash than debt to the tune of £60m. They are in the enviable spot of being net cash, many are net debt with nasty net/ebitda ratios but again you know all this :) You missed the short from way higher and have arrived a little too late. The Enterprise value here is tiny.
Btw, received any comms yet about your blatant lies about TED?
So what? Cash is of little and dimishing value when a company on on track to burn cash and make a loss or evening a growing loss. You can't sell a burning house at full price.
lol.... i think you will find that most have noted that the company has a strong net cash position and will further turn it's large inventory position into cash!
Yeah and it's fun watching a valuation offered on the basis of earnings when a company is making a loss with very high debt levels. :)
You told blatant lies about debt growing, it isn't. It's going down.
It's fun watching you trying and dig your way out though :) :)
Growing implies future activity, not past activity. In the case of a company which is ok track to make a loss or even growing loss it would be reasonable to anticipate increasing debt levels. Again the balance sheet is but a snap shot.
getting funny now. Saying a companies' debt is growing relates to it's balance sheet :) TEDs debt has just come down by £20m.
If i was you if would be focusing on companies with bloated Enterprise values and net/ebida ratios that are projected to flat line or grow. TED is expecting 1x or below by 2023.
The time to be shorting was yonks ago but now i'm doing a you and repeating myself over and over :)
A balance sheet also represents a moment in time and isn't forward looking.
My comments needn't relate to a balance sheet - this is just a summary of a financial position, and may or may not be a good way to value a company.