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Let me know when the Job comes available Arsenal. On the other hand, imagine trying to communicate with the Stroppy element of the workforce.
Exactly Red comments like that just show how selfish and out of touch these union leaders are ,I suggest they start looking for someone 20 years younger with Modern ideas not this rash approach of if I can’t have it your not having it ,Pathetic!
"we built this company and we'll be the ones to smash it to pieces"
Does this statement by Pullinger instil confidence or a recollection of a child throwing its toys from the pram?
Pullinger hasn't built anything more than his ego!
Very mature statement st was from Mr Pullinger shows he cares then LOL
Wolves :Generations of postal workers have built and defended this great postal service and the terms and conditions for postal workers, it’s our time to stand again.
I recall the same sentiment being expressed more succinctly by Mr pullinger during an episode in the Back tenure when he shouted at a press conference 'we built this company and we'll be the ones to smash it to pieces'
Isleworth/JB
Wow! considerable input from you both last night. Just a note to say thanks for your time it made interesting and informative reading. Nice to see that it's possible to have grown up discussions.
JB basically you worked you the area the business when it was Dee,Ed a job for life ,he business was funded as you know by us taxpayers and now t is a totally different your work ethic was hopefully different from today and unfortunately a lot of what we read on here is a very selfish approach to wanting everything but not accepting that there has to be change in the modern work environment, im not invested here at present because as usual the CWU only think that the PLC world does not work and it makes me laugh when you read all this nonsense about opinions n here who only want something but dont accept modern change in work , that’s why this business should never be put back to a nationalised way as the 70s proved it does not work and I only hope that the management and CWU can come to an agreement but I doubt it !
Ispy I absolutely get it I just think IA will do extreme damage to most jobs within the business. Weakens everyones hand moving forward. Enjoy your weekend and the nice weather.
@ JBT.
Let me tell you where i am on this management restructuring etc; and the points you mention.
The pay offer? Please see one of my previous posts. In short, 38K-43K this year , role change. 46K next year and 49K the year after. The old DOM role pay was protected for 2 years, so when year three came around it was a pay rise.
Additional hours? Some maybe, but the majority? No chance.
Role changes? I've already said i see no difference. But that doesn't mean there isn't.
VR? Loads applied in my area, some got it. But now there is an apparent shortfall here, so they are re-hiring. Another waste of money.
Re-applying for your job? It was basically an assessment. And believe me, some awful managers passed.
Surplus list? Doesn't exist.
Moving to another area/function? They tried to locate managers as close to their homes as possible. So not necessarily a bad thing.
All of the above is from one or more of my white-collar friends.
Now compare this to my 2% pay rise and the changes RMG want for posties.
Not moaning. Just a comparison for you, through the eyes of a blue-collar worker.
Ispy I am retired. My answers are always honest, I did work in delivery when I started in 1976 but being honest I personally found it boring. As I progressed in the business I did work in mail Centre, Parcel Concentration office and undertook tasks in delivery offices.
I think the delivery office managers voted for IA because they weren't happy with the the pay offer, the additional hours they were putting in for no pay. Plus changes to the roles which I don't quite understand as I have no real info on the detail.
I think most of the managers in other functions are fairly happy apart from the constant threat of VR/Reapplying for your own job, being on a surplus list, moving to another function/area to keep a job. Lots of people face challenges within the business.
@ JBT.
Seems like a genuine answer.
But you can't work in a delivery office. Certainly not one like mine.
Why do you think that a lot of managers voted for IA?
My understanding is that it was the new roles they were expected to take on. Nothing has changed, that i can see.
Apart from a very generous pay rise.
Did you have a new role/title applied?
Ispy I was joking about the management friends, even worse than that I am still friends with a couple of postpersons mainly by text etc as I've moved around a few times. One is strongly for IA and the other isn't but she will go out. Both have been in the business around 40 years.
Ispy as a Manager no I didn't as I didn't have reason too. I was a member of the CMA and before that I was in the CWU and I again didn't find any strong enough reason to vote for IA. Some of the local disputes in my work areas were petty and should have been resolved much earlier in the process.
It really should be an absolute last resort.
Perhaps I have just been lucky to have had decent managers and also able to get information that allowed me to make informed decisions.
I did also have good working relations with the local reps in my work areas and when we did have issues we could find ways to workaround and there was give and take on both sides. We dont appear to be in this place nowadays and perhaps its too far gone.
@ JBT.
I've been called worse.
But we are not allowed to use any derogatory terms or be in any way confrontational to anyone at work. I'm sure you know that as a manager. I adhere to the rules and am extremely courteous to everyone at work.
I've got lots of management friends. I converse with them. I've even socialised with a few. And yes. I tell them what i think. Personally, i don't care who does what or how much they get paid. I don't get paid for that. But management do. It's alright for you lot to call for changes, but you are the very people who are paid to implement things. And you can't or won't.
Lost contracts? Speak to Thompson. He knew this would happen. I'll tell what he'll do. Straight to workplace and try to convey a message to people who don't actually agree with anything he says.
A question for you JBT. As a manger, did you vote for IA?
Ispy what a cop out, just a word you know full well the impact it can have and very disappointing to see you feel its in any way appropriate to use in these tough times. Have you not read about the incidents that have happened in the business when this has been used or are you choosing just to ignore.
Well that's a surprise you've got a management friend is he/she as incapable as the others you mention?
Of course the business will lose contracts/accounts my wife managed teams in that area and we are friends with many of the account managers and you don't know the half of it. Yep losing business is great for securing future jobs and funding and it is down to both sides to avoid these losses.
As I've said from day one no winners out of this just different levels of loss and I'm not talking about shareholders/traders.
@ JBT.
It's just a word. But it obviously upsets some people.
And regarding agency staff. I speak as i find. I agree that they are not all useless. But i do think that some may be creative with what they do.
Not a good position for RMG. Especially if it's a prolonged strike.
The overtime is a means to an end. Nothing more. But i'll accept your thanks.
Do you realise that i and the majority of other posties work 5 days out of 6?
I've also heard from one of my manager friends that RMG have had two contracts pulled, because of the possible IA.
I don't take any pleasure out of that, but maybe Mr Thompson should sit up and take notice.
Ispy totally agree the management is much tighter with greater data and information. I guess that's why some found the new processes difficult to accept. Change can be very difficult for some to accept being monitored having to work the hours you are paid for etc etc
Great to hear some staff are getting acceptable pay deals and good for them. Just other RMG employees doing a different role, one you don't and know nothing about. Maybe you should give it a go I personally don't think you would last a month.
Its amazing all the agency that seem to come through the door are hopeless yet this was a route into the business for hundreds if not thousands of people. Maybe yet again you are just unlucky in your office and they send you the poor ones to wind you up.
Really showing your true colours now in the way you refer to your colleagues, you may not know what some of these people are going through and how striking may be the thing that breaks them.
So basically anyone that isn't cowed or bullied by the CWU and don't want to strike and can think for themselves are SCABS in your opinion. Have you said that to any of "these people" No thought not.
Also thanks for doing all that overtime and keeping the service going and the money coming into the business, hopefully some of the savings the business will make from the strike days can come back to you in the form of an increased rise or bonus so striking to eventually have a deal agreed and it will. So basically partly paid for by yourself to accept some changes.
I am sure most of us shareholders welcome what you are doing on the frontline including putting in those extra hours it does help the business to ensure we get our dividends and to help fund pay deals etc.
We shouldn't lose sight of that. Good job.
Thanks again.
@ telso.
Thanks for reminding everyone that the postie role is unskilled.
I'd like to see you try it for a few weeks. In all sorts of weather.
While you are obviously superior to us mere posties, you still wouldn't be able to do the job.
(This is the point when you claim to have been a postie, as many do).
And while we are on the strike thread. One of the agency staff lost his van yesterday. Had to phone a manager who was at home, and he had to go out and help him find it. I think the poor bloke only had 8 items to deliver. These are the people that RMG are using for the strike days. And the scabs, of course.
@ JBT.
""""Of course why wouldn't they when the job was much easier. earlier finishes, unlimited overtime, covering ghost shifts, job and finish etc etc I was in amongst it and that is facts.""""
Surely, if this still goes on, then the COM's are at fault? All the data is at hand to "see" what posties are doing.
Despite their very generous pay rises since their new roles, and for the next two years already guaranteed, they still cannot manage.
A very sad indictment of where the company is heading.
Yes Grayling he made me laugh when he said he made 3 grand on Royal Mail shares he never posts when he bought them or when he sold them just says he made 3 grand biggest bulls hi—er on here
Sour grapes. As an investment RMG has thrashed he a**e of his darling RR over the past 3 years. Plus it pays a decent dividend, something RR has never really got the hang of. LOL
RMG should just implement a minimum wage rule for unskilled and entry level positions like Postman, in the future.
As minimum wage laws rise, so do their wages, if the union then has a problem they can take it up with the government.
Anyone who stays in an entry level position for an extended length of time, is either lazy or they're just working the system within the company and simply over-booking their hours.
What other incentive could there possibly be for sticking out an entry level job, year in year out.
fat fingers message sent before I finished. I was adding a bit about the cheap CWU house loans if you check the CWU accounts you will find 3 senior bods with loans maybe they deserve to use union dues for it and I am sure its just another case one rule for them..... I am fairly sure it was Francis O'Grady TUC who criticised it and instructed/advised it should stop.
I am happy to be invested and understand the risks.
ASharkz absolutely right re the global impacts but unfortunately human nature and to an extent greed kicks in. Am I as a shareholder being greedy I guess yes to a degree but for me it was about having a number of investments and income streams in my retirement. So IMO all RMG employees at whatever level have taken a risk and invested what they can to help them secure a better future for themselves and families.
I can understand why some employees are trying to look after their own interest first and an option is to get others to fight for you and IA is part and parcel of that.
I have said many times I have no major issue representing that is what they are paid for both in salary and benefits almost like the BOD and they have done a good job over the years. I guess that's why many would like to see reprivatisation. You just need to read the comments on the CWU FB page. One thing that I do find totally hypocritical of the CWU was the cheap home loans they gave out to their senior people. Not sure what the rate was but certainly much better than the high st. I wonder how many of their members would like a reduced mortgage rate, I am sure if they all apply a
Of course why wouldn't they when the job was much easier. earlier finishes, unlimited overtime, covering ghost shifts, job and finish etc etc I was in amongst it and that is facts.
The world has moved on.
Anger your right in your assumptions some of us can remember the last situation regarding inflation decades ago so as you say you will always get this disparity with salaries. if it was down to CWU they would want everyone on the same salary it’s called running a business for those on higher salaries ! Not that the union would agree