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Hey pillock acceptable to the profanity bot coooool :)
well first times def not a charm(er) My nan used to say takes one to know one :) I concur
Did you notice i tend to stay out of the fray unless the usual paid pillocks pop up ?
Guess who's back? How you doin ? lol
Morning. So it seems the thread didn't go anywhere unless a load have been deleted (only after 10pm?)
Thinking about it and for context when it gets resurrected in a few days time.
Were being led to believe that one party shifted 41.5m shares to "us mug punters" in c.300m volume when we were above 30p? That "Mr 100k seller" that was mentioned would need to have popped up a whopping 415 times in those few days. Admit I personally wasn't close to it, but don't recall it being that prolific.
Still it won't stop, but hopefully some period of calm while we wait for news (good job it's Advent, 'tis the season for waiting)
GLA for today.
Pewee, if Mr_Wolfe chooses to join in then "full moon" may be your answer!
These negative arguments are just going around in circles, but with little hard/indisputable evidence to support them. I'm happy to listen to a bear case as it keeps me grounded but it's wearing thin!
Signing off now so happy arguing and if it isn't deleted I'll see where the thread goes in the morning.
Is it a full moon ? Or just the cold weather affecting everyone
The ads are the best viewing on here
Wreakin Ruby this ........
Stork
"But even if that's true, all you're doing is suggesting that there are now *two* investors who willingly took giant paper losses after huge ramps *and* who magically managed to hide their 'investments' under the usual PI nominee accounts on the register."
Pick your angle please, forward selling was your line not mine. Plus it was you saying they somehow managed to do it for 10-20% and disguise it in piddly volume. If they have sold then to my mind a good portion must have been at break even or a loss because that is where we have sat for most of the time. And why? So they can make 3s 6d and hold 40m+ of warrants at 26p in a fraud which will be back below a penny if you had your way?? That makes no sense.
I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs of share registers and if an anonymous investor wished to remain so how that would work. Suggestions are that it is eminently possible, and slightly more plausible than the idea they know its a fraud, but are happy to bung in 15m for 10% (hoping said fraud isnt exposed yet) and forward sell all they had into a low volume market that as Tilly has said more resembled an Arizona Creek.
It’s in the RNS’s Mr Stork. Not ludicrous, it’s just you didn’t read the information available to you properly:
Placement 1 (Single Institutional Investor)
53,306,751shares
Placement 2 (Institutional InvestorS) - 41,551,563 shares (reduced from a more sizeable offer)
Frankly I think it's ludicrous to suggest that it was a different investor the second time round, since it was arranged by the exact same brokers in the exact same way with the exact same 'anonymous US-based II' cover. But even if that's true, all you're doing is suggesting that there are now *two* investors who willingly took giant paper losses after huge ramps *and* who magically managed to hide their 'investments' under the usual PI nominee accounts on the register.
"You can certainly hide an individuals holding using a Trust / Underlying company structure as one method, I’m sure there are other methods too"
Of course. But the front company/trust would still show on the register. Unless the suggestion is that these sophisticated US-based IIs somehow put their investments through the one of the brokers coincidentally used by British PI gamblers.
Hi Tilly,
Not that you'll be bothered, but I just want to clarify that my concurrence with TMS earlier was in no way accusing you of being dishonest. I like your info/opinions though I don't agree with them all of the time.
TMS' info regarding nominee accounts is accurate and that is what I agreed with.
I don't agree with you and other posters giving some people a free pass because they are apparently invested.
I do not like some of the abusers and spammers that try to control the board and encourage people to 'green box' others because they have questioned them.
I'm no angel here, but some of the so called good guys are worse than anyone.
Have a good evening.
RNS of the 24th Sept
https://www.lse.co.uk/rns/EUA/completion-of-us15m-financing-for-rosgeo-jv-le23f8jnrgg8jfg.html
Comments tend to lean that is a different set off II's that bought
"Comments
Christian Schaffalitzky, Executive Chairman commented: "The Directors are pleased that more institutional investors have joined our shareholder base, as we reach another important milestone. We look forward to providing further updates".
GLA
buy/hols/accumulate
I disagree that, in 300m of total volume (buys and sells) over the few days it got to the 30s and beyond, it's possible to disguise or absorb one 41.55m seller in amongst the other stake builders, day/T traders, and any tracker funds. Not when Anders Murray struggled to sell 8m over several days without negatively impacting the SP at a time when volume was much greater.
I never said there was one US investor, think it was made clear they were different and as no warrants have yet been exercised their holdings will be 1.3% each.
Is it possible to disguise individuals on the share register? Wouldn't know, but who is listed around that level of holding currently (say the 25-45m range?)
Reported for libellous, fraudulent spam
Mac & all
Looks that way mate tag team have moved targets , her on Twitter was that her who was on here like a screaming Banshee
I can’t get anything in the green bin as it’s full of Septic Lils kebab wrappers
Hopefully Not long for ‘ Shortly ‘ mate
Rums all Round
Ah opinions , like ********s everyone has one even TMS , sadly that is all they are ....never factual.
The conjecture is boring no matter what you want/think of EUA. I don’t wish losses on any investor except TMS as his views are based on his narrative and agenda of the stock price going down , not based on factual RNS information that real investors have bought into here. I’m sure he is alone and incredibly unhappy which brings a smile to my face :)
OSF:
"You say they are spivs who forward sold.
We say that is nonsense because they would have turned over a loss, no way the price was high enough long enough and with enough volume to do that. Why would an investor spend $15m to turn over an immediate loss and hold as yet unexercised warrants at 26p in a company that is a fraud?
You go silent"
Nonsense.
Before the last placing there was approx 300m volume above 30p, more than enough to wash through the entire placing for a 15-20% guaranteed risk free profit, which is almost certainly what happened.
Your alternative scenario is that the mystery conveniently unnamed II decided to straight buy in at 26p after being at a huge paper loss on the first placing, only to find themselves immediately at another huge paper loss when the price tanked again after the extremely obvious placing ramp was done. You must also further suggest that this II has somehow hidden themselves from the share register, despite all the holdings on listed Bloomberg adding up to within a few million of the current shares in issue, with absolutely no mention of this II which must now, according to you, be holding close to 3% of the stock. Sorry, but that's just mad.
Mind you, it is no less mad than believing that the 'sale' is actually ever going to happen after 25 months of 'sale' process with no bids, no bidders, nothing paid out and *three placings done*. If one believes that then one will believe anything I suppose.
I green binned them all last week Tilly, must be your turn this week lol
It's just Francis Bojangles and associates from twitter, nothing to be concerned about. One minute their positive, the next they're all doom and gloom and trying to attach nonsense to any positive posters. CFD trading is so transparent.
GLA
I see the lynch mob of shorters & traders have jumped on myself .
Just to be clear was certainly not trying to deceive anyone , it was purely outlining the stock % distributed , sometimes the % change & its relevant to EUA & appreciate the nominee accounts .
( post the meat regularly)
However
Apologies for layout of this post it was two posts merged together - EUA stock website & Simply wall st & can see how it reads so will add adjustment to clear it up .
Stock meat - held just to be clear
BOD & ii hold over 50% of stock
( should have been at bottom & noted as from simply wall st & some stock in nominee accounts )
That’s well Over a Billion in stock between them - a sizeable bag of kippers - BOD 20%
( below from EUA website as is )
Shareholders holding 3% or more of ordinary shares
Hargreaves Lansdown (Nominees) 21.54% 614,627,163
Dmitry Suschov * 16.32% 465,647,496
Interactive Investors Services 15.58% 444,705,567
Queeld Ventures Limited 10.77% 307,250,000
HSDL NOMINEES LIMITED 6.61% 188,754,254
Barclays DI (Nominees) 4.99% 142,305,940
Christian Schaffalitzky (Director) 3.14% 89,569,517
( noted this as a positive to investors & correct )
AC - repurchased his Veles stock - this dude has EUA blood in his veins
( noted this as showing some individual investors - from simply wall st )
Phil Taylor - 28 million - & added twice above current stock price
( noted this as very positive & shows ii investment - from RNS )
USA ii in twice @ 26,5 - £20 million ( undisclosed name mmm…) - at the stage of the asset sale when this private placement was announced it has to highlight confidence in the deal in my eyes otherwise why toss such a wedge in ,
( last time the stock dropped away from 26.5 an RNS was released to nudge it north -sept 1rst - highlighting USA ii )
( from simply wall st )
Top 25 shareholders own 76% of company stock
Hope this clears up any misreading , TMS no problem with anyone pointing out a mistake , misprint etc however ease up on the misleading accusations pal .
However didn’t require the chuckle brothers Amers & Aubrey getting involved with usual ‘ to you to me ‘ .
Old Spurs - cheers mate .
Rums all Round
Hi Gobig, TMSis not my friend, but he's not my enemy either.
I sincerely hope that his short position fails big time,but I wish him no I'll will.
Have a good evening :-)
Oldspursfan , that was rather delightful ....hats off to you sir :)
BILL y boy, I don’t even know what that means. You can’t be critical of people’s maths when you and your pal the mad hatter can’t do any better, lol
Hi Gobig, to come up with an accurate answer to any equation, one must have the correct figures to input.
It doesn't matter what school I went to or how good I am at maths, if simple Simon doesn't inform me of the whereabouts of the fair he is heading to, the odds of me locating the right pie man are pretty slim.
Fess up....lol.
Idiot.
Stork
You start off with a valid point regarding nominee holdings which of course should be disregarded and are not "institutions" in the sense that is being portrayed.
Then you go on to ruin it by moving onto no institutions buying in. Feels like we go around in circles:
You say no IIs have invested
We point to American investment at the last 2 raises.
You say they are spivs who forward sold.
We say that is nonsense because they would have turned over a loss, no way the price was high enough long enough and with enough volume to do that. Why would an investor spend $15m to turn over an immediate loss and hold as yet unexercised warrants at 26p in a company that is a fraud?
You go silent
A few days later it starts again.
For future reference try quitting while you had one point we actually agree with. May make the board a more useful and pleasant read. Thanks.
No he can’t add up the holdings either BILL y boy. Back to maths school for everyone, lol