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@ telso.
Conversing with the lowest must be very hard for you. So, it's probably best that you've filtered me, again.
I hope you got your discount from your clubcard. Aldi was it? I'm sure you got plenty of bargains at 10pm on the best before items.
Enjoy your stork "butter," the bread will be fine if just cut off the edges and i hope you didn't forget the tinnies.
Truthfully, I only took you off " FILTER " because my screen had been filled with green for the last two days and there had been a flood off posts in recents days.
I assumed something drastic had occurred within the company, especially with all the rapid posting yesterday, only to realise the other resident clown was on the blob and desperately seeking attention.
Back to filter for and back to reality for me.
P.S The midde-aged man who works the checkout counter at my supermarket also thinks I am foolish.... recently.. I never had my clubcard ready for him to scan at his earliest and immediate convenience, so he told me I should know better......I then asked him how long he had been at his job..........He replied almost 10 years..............I replied that I can see why.
It is what it is,
People with the minimum wage mentality always talk the loudest, listen the least but know it all.
@ JBT.
You're right. I should. I have called out others about this.
The fact that Mr Thompson said there would be no further discussions on pay, leads me to this fact. Unless of course he was lying. So, IMO.
And i will keep the overtime going. Right up to the 26th. After that i will be working a 5 day week.
I can't actually remember when the dividend is paid. But don't forget it can be pulled up to the day before.
Now. That would be disastrous.
Ispy you are sounding more like DW/TP every post not quoting a specific figure. You should really add IMO after your statement about ST as you don't actually know if he will or wont change stance.
Oh please keep the overtime going my dividend might depend upon it.
@ JBT.
I said 4 figures, you said a grand. I might've meant 2 grand.
But posties like a bonus. I, on the other hand prefer consolidation into my pay packet.
That's why i would've voted no. And i would've tried to explain to my workmates why.
Going back to the CWU's original request for in line with inflation. I may have accepted 4.5%, no strings.
That would then lead us to serious discussions about the pathway to change agreement. Not executive action.
But Thompson ain't for turning. On pay or changes.
I do hope i'm wrong though. This overtime is wearing me out.
Ispy I've done some very rough calculations and based on 8 days of strikes I estimate the business would be able to offer near to that 4 figure bonus you mentioned well £960 but sure the business could round it up to the £1k so maybe that an a small increase to the % rise might swing it.
I know of course its like paying for your own bonus but its tough times. Of course the business might ask for one or two of the changes to be agreed and they would also save on that. Really it is time for both the business and CWU to get creative before it is too late.
Ispy obviously depending on whether he wants an agreement or not will determine if he attends. If he doesn't attend safe to say IMO the business will be getting split up and no going back.
@ telso.
Someone's getting humpy. Visiting the ACP board. There was another poster who did just that. You only make yourself look foolish. But carry on.
Of course you could do the job. Everyone can do it. But within your time. Nah!! Try it.
Well done, with your university, evening classes, extra jobs etc.
But you're are still here, liaising with a drunk, and getting the hump.
I not sure what should "sink in". Maybe i should have gone to university. Then i could understand the elite.
@ wolvesposty.
I wonder if Thompson will turn up for the face to face meeting?
I would p**s my pants if he didn't.
I haven't seen if he's accepted this invitation.
I should ask someone to check workplace. He spends more time on there than in the office.
I strongly suggest you leave the " tinnies " alone.
I would probably struggle with both the prep and delivering a full round for a day or two, but within a week I would have the job of a Postman down cold. I guess you can call it lucky that I spent my younger days beyond university, working two jobs six days a week and complementing that with evening class most evenings for many years to attain various professional accreditations and practicing licenses.
I guess you're drowning your sorrows tonight, huh, whereas yesterday it probably all looked and felt so different right.
You're a bumbling fool, but I secretly hope you succeed with all your investment endeavours.
Enjoy. -
P.S ISPY - I posted this in the ACP thread as well, just so it sinks in.
page was too long to paste so read earliest first
It is hypocrisy of the highest order and rather than continue pointless negotiations, which the company themselves have disrespected and undermined from day one, and simply hope that something will change, as a consequence we have decided to call for this new dynamic in an effort to change the current impasse and enable an agreement to be reached. We stress once again the CWU have not walked away from talks and stand ready for meaningful negotiations and reaching agreements.
Your trade union totally respects you – all you have done and all you do. It is evident that your employer does not.
Your contribution to society is massive, you deserve far greater respect and reward and have every right to demand it – you have earnt that right. The CWU and its members have never lived life on our knees. Generations of postal workers have built and defended this great postal service and the terms and conditions for postal workers, it’s our time to stand again.
We thank everyone for their magnificent support and hard work. Both members and Reps have demonstrated that this great union does speak for its members and that Royal Mail Group have totally lost the trust, respect and confidence of their employees.
Vote yes, stand strong.
Any enquiries in relation to the content of this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department.
Yours sincerely,
Terry Pullinger
Deputy General Secretary (Postal)
Dave Ward
General Secretary
@ Anger.
When i say the CWU, i of course mean that it would have been put to the members, and probably accepted. I couldn't give you an actual figure for the "bonus" but generally 4 figures does it.
Negotiations on pay started in February. So, six months ago.
I've already said that Thompson had no intention of giving us anything else. If you remember, it was nothing initially.
He'd given all the money away to shareholders and managers.
Pathetic!
In April 2022 management tabled their position, which was no pay rise for all employees unless the union signed up to change demands which break the Pathway to Change agreement and its joint commitments and pose a major threat to the current workforce, the future generation of postal workers and the future of this great public service.
We have been in negotiations with Royal Mail Group for the past four months, during that time our members have returned a massive yes vote for industrial action on the rejection of RMG’s 2% imposed pay award (which is totally unacceptable). The CWU has given RMG weeks to listen to their employees and improve the pay offer, but they have refused to do so.
Equally, and judging by the excellent support being shown, we believe that our members will also return a massive yes vote for industrial action in rejection of RMG’s change demands. We have stressed that the business should listen to their employees and negotiate mutual interest change agreements consistent with the Pathway to Change agreement, but again they refuse to budge.
So nothing has changed the company’s position in these negotiations, there is no obvious latitude in the remit that the RMG negotiators have, hence the need to introduce a different dynamic.
RMG’s change demands have been widely publicised to its employees in detail and promoted by the company via their ‘workplace’ platform and other means. Therefore it should not be a surprise to anyone how damaging they are for RMG workers (including Parcelforce) and this great public service. For example, pulling up the ladder on the next generation of postal workers, lower pay, bringing back the 40hr week and introducing the cheapest possible pipeline resulting in pushing the operation back 3hrs and creating a pm only delivery service, are not the acts of progressive thinking of people committed to growing RMG, protecting the USO or the standard of living, employment and retirement security of its employees.
These proposals – ridiculously badged as modernisation, represent the same race to the bottom, asset stripping, shareholder interest only type proposals that currently dominate the world of work.
The reaction of our members to RMG’s position is evidence that the workforce is totally opposed to RMG’s future plans. In our opinion these change proposals represent the greatest threat we have seen since privatisation to our members, and future members, the great public that we serve and the future of this highly regarded public service.
Against that backdrop, it is also worth remembering when the company is pleading poverty, how many millions of pounds have gone out of this industry and into shareholders’ pockets – over £2 billion since privatisation and since 2021, and in the light of decisions made at the recent shareholder AGM, in excess of £600 million. Senior managers and board members have also received pay rises, bonus payments and been given extra shares during this period.
It is hypocrisy
an interesting read
Current Disputes Negotiation Summit Meeting Demand
We reported yesterday, via video, that we had made a significant move in order to try and bring a new dynamic to the current separate and systematic negotiations on Pay and Royal Mail Change demands, which in our opinion break the Pathway to Change agreement.
It is important that all CWU Reps and members understand that the CWU has not walked away from the negotiations but have requested that they are suspended until a high-level meeting takes place between the Royal Mail Group Board Chair, RMG CEO, CWU General Secretary and the CWU Deputy General Secretary Postal, all of whom were signatories to the Pathway to Change agreement.
It is also important that all CWU Reps and members understand that it is the CWU that has been pushing for constructive and progressive negotiations on all issues since January 2022.
The CWU insisted on a meeting in January 2022 to move forward the operational Pipeline section of the Pathway to Change agreement. Management tried to cancel this meeting and were reluctant for it to take place but the CWU insisted. At the closure of that meeting management promised to respond to a number of issues raised by the CWU and to supply the required information and response in order that negotiations could be progressed at pace. Management failed to supply that information or arrange another meeting.
In February 2022 the CWU, concerned by the emerging growing cost of living crisis, wrote to the business regarding our pay claim and stressed that it was important the company made an appropriate offer on pay, which protected our members’ standard of living, to be introduced on the 1st April to allow all of our members a chance of coping with the cost of living crisis. Management failed to respond in organising a pay meeting until April 2022, after the due pay award date.
Also in February 2022, at the same time as requesting pay talks, the CWU wrote to management regarding moving forward the Pathway to Change agreement and specifically issues such as revision activity and productivity. Again management failed to arrange a meeting to discuss this until April 2022.
In March 2022 the CWU, in anticipation that both parties were still honouring the Pathway to Change agreement, held a Policy Forum for all CWU activists (at great expense to the CWU) to establish policy on how we move forward the agreement, including matters such as seven day working, new products and services, culture, pipeline, the joint 35 hour working week commitment and other mutual interest solutions to the reinvention of Royal Mail Group, the protection of the USO and the future generation of postal workers. That Policy Forum resulted in a substantial document of ideas which was forwarded to management as a ‘heads up’ on our position on how we move the deployment of the Pathway to Change agreement forward. No response to that courtesy was received from management.
In April 2022 management tab
@ Merlwood.
"""Do not think the union is acting on your behalf. The top guys will still earn their £100K+ a year. You will get some form of rise I am sure, but not what the union is pushing for, and you will still be down for loss of earnings while on strike."""
We know their salaries. They negotiate for over 100,000 members.
We've already had a pay rise. Forced on us by executive action..
The union are pushing for an in line with inflation pay rise. At the time of request it was 5.5%. It's now 9%. The CWU would have accepted less, or even a one off bonus with the 2%.
Loss of earnings? I have built up a £700 strike fund, with two weeks still to go. That's about 8 days already paid for by RMG. While i think that the strike for pay may be resolved in a short period, the other strike will not. And i'll be saving my pennies courtesy of RMG overtime.
I must admit to being a share holder and about 50% down on my investment, however you win some and lose sum, my decision. I also believe that everyone is entitled to a a fair wage and wish you luck in the negotiations, but let's look at the facts in the real world.
If I own my own company and my employees want an increase in salary, if I can afford it based on the comany's trading I will give it to them. If not they can decide to stay or leave on what I propose or leave, their choice. If they leave I will replace them.
Now if I am running a company on behalf of its share holders my priority has to be to my emplyers, those share holders.
If I allow such increases in salaries which will put that companyb in to a loss making situation, that will prove a dereliction of my duties.
If you do not get paid for ten days because you strike you will lose the equivalent of 3% of your income before you sart, which RMG will save.
Do not think the union is acting on your behalf. The top guys will still earn their £100K+ a year. You will get some form of rise I am sure, but not what the union is pushing for, and you will still be down for loss of earnings while on strike.
@ wolvesposty.
Thank you for that.
As an employee you clearly see where this is headed.
You're not alone. A lot of non-union staff have now joined up in my office. This includes "those people" who are now fully on board.
I still hope for a resolution on pay, firstly. And then it may pave the way for t's & c's.
@ Anger.
I pay the CWU to be a negotiating tool for me with RMG.
They could never act in a single persons interest. Unless of course it was a personal issue.
Read the pathway to change agreement.
There are a million things that RMG want. Negotiations with the CWU and then proposals put forward by the union, with a recommendation to accept. They will be satisfied that a best deal has been agreed. Not in this case.
Within that agreement was a stipulation that NO EXECUTIVE ACTION would be undertaken.
Now let me think. Has that agreement been broken within a year, and if so, by who?
The CWU are definitely acting in my best interest. If they said that these ludicrous proposals by Thompson and his cronies should be accepted, i'd be out of the union.
What you mean to say is the CWU is not acting in your best interests, financially. And nor is Thompson.
I decide whether or not i go on strike.
The government will soon be taking back RMG if these strikes go ahead. Funded by you, the taxpayer. How much do you think you'll get per share then?
anyway goodnight all i am sure we will get a settlement to suit all.....
isleworth i never ever thought i would say this in all the time i have been on here... i was your biggest critic and i am not militant in any shape or form. look at my previous posts ****ging you off... but i have to eat humble pie mate because you are spot on....
@ Anger.
In that case you should probably follow up with IMO.
IMO.
In case you didn't know, i am the union. And all my workmates. We decide whether or not to go on strike. Not the people who we pay, to speak on our behalf. They put forward proposals that RMG have or haven't made (in this case), and we decide.
I would not be comfortable holding any shares at this time. Having said that, if Thompson backtracks on his pathetic stance, then the share price will go up.
But he won't, and the price will drop further.
I wonder if after the first day of action, he will assess the amount of "those people" at work, you know the ones, and make a statement prior to the weekend.
@ Anger.
We agree on something.
But i don't remember the CWU saying anything like that.
@ wolvesposty.
"""the other 3.5% is not achievable""".
Unless you live by the RMG code of: If you wear a white collar, you'll get your bonus regardless.
It's called flogging yourselves to death, only to be told that you've missed the set targets.
@ Anger.
If you read my post in context with Maximas's efforts, you'd understand.
If you think that the reason i'm striking is to affect shareholders, you really have no grasp of how we think.
I'll say it again. The pay rise is derisory. 400 million paid to shareholders plus more to come, through dividends and buybacks. Management paid bonuses for NOT achieving targets, including Thompson.
I'll tell you about the COM's pay rises, shall i?
38K last year.
43K this year after role was changed.
46K next year.
49K the following year.
I got that from a manager who has just left the company. And you wonder why i'm going on strike?
And RMG are employing more managers after paying VR to hundreds, thousands?
Yeah. I'm striking because i want to p**s of investors? I suppose my shareholding workmates are as well.