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This might not be the worst entry point for WOSG. From a Chart POV, 789p-801p is a narrow if not penny specific support area.

If that goes then 771p is in play with eventually the recent low of 737p being the ultimate support. So from here the stop would be 737p (Around 10%) but as the high is 1507p there is plenty of room to move up as profits are greater than they were then.

So this might be either a very timely entry or maybe at worse a 10% risk before looking closely at it to see if its a case of adding to it, or selling out.

Just my opinion of course (i fwiw added a little more at 801p today) DYOR etc

I think AGL will come good, probably through a buy out some time (or indeed any time), but likely I think in a 12/36 month time frame.

AVCT is starting to be the "always next year" stock. Hopefully it will be a stellar performer, but goodness me, you need some patience.

So its always a balance between growth stocks, higher risk opportunities and down right solid companies (like Glencore for instance) that also chuck out a divi.

Obviously my approach via charts and therefore often, a more short term view, is contrary to some of the above but I am just thinking more of your style of LTB&H.

But I do like the mix that WOSG offers. I think that although this is not quite ground floor (that was around 300p per share), i think it offers substantial SP growth, potential divi on a product line that is likely to stay popular and as the world gets richer so its customer base is likely to increase. (It has the added bonus of the products being often an appreciating asset which again supports the product line sales.) And the market that WOG is addressing is huge and they have hardly started.

Blimey... I better buy some more!!

Its just for difficult (for me) to see the advantage of buying it out now rather than in admin.

I agree it will be a larger player that might see the benefit.

It buys it now as a going concern and it has delivery problems, suppliers different product lines, listing costs, staff etc etc to deal with.

But in admin it might just want the mattresses as it already does bed frames and various ancillary items. has no warranty claims, no staff to make redundant, and no extra PLC costs.

Then when its profitable it can be floated off again separately and the owners make a ton of money then on the new float?

(Anyway, thats what i would do.)

There are howls of perceived manipulation when there is a UT that finishes above the closing price as it causes a negative percentage fall in the SP when it opens the next day and the reasoning goes that might make nervous holders sell, seeing the "false" drop.

How come the lower UT yesterday was not hailed a s a good thing? (AVCT is showing a 4.75% rise this morning.)

bitl..."Rip is a smart guy."

and I thought we sometimes could exchange views reasonably? Oh well.

What exactly do you think he has achieved here? For all his self acclaimed pompous pronouncements of being the defender of this BB (which does not stop the posts he dislikes being posted so that has been ineffectual), And how exactly has it helped AVCT the company he loves? (obviously not at all) and how has it helped the SP? ( obviously not at all)

He seems like a fantasist who has a very small outlook and world and has become obsessed with this BB and AVCT as can be seen by his repetitive aggressive postings, and continually spoiling for a verbal fight. His repeated claims that he wins all these "fights" is just further evidence of an inferiority complex as can be seen also in his justification for the amount of recs he gets. He perceives this adulation of strangers as justification for all his anti-social behaviour.

Quite how you see any of this as "Smart" is a bit of a mystery to me.

Hi D,

yes I think so. Its worth looking at the history of the RNS and trading updates. Its a bit like EVE in as much as that it is a fragmented market that WOSG are trying to corner. But thats the only similarity.

The difference is that typically if you are going to spend £5k (probably as minimum and more like £10k upwards on a watch the normal ups and downs of the economy is unlikely to affect you so much.

It throws off a lot of cash, has paid down debt very quickly and looks set to me to start paying a divi soon. Good head room for SP appreciation as its come off its highs by quite a bit and has an expansion plan that seems eminently sensible and dooable to continue growth as very reasonable rate.

And all this in the midst of some global disorder......

LT1 how much new injected money do you think it will take to re-launch EVE? (Current shareholdings are worthless unless you sell.) I would have thought £10m at a minimum?

I can't see unless you have already started the process of due diligence with EVE and already have access to this scale of funds very quickly its all going to be a bit late isn't it?

Thats very good Energy ha ha, (but I think it was the Clash and not the Sex pistols?)

DTW, its not about the company, its about the SP.

A poster topped up today (great) and is overall sitting on a paper 17% loss. Would he/she prefer to be sitting on a 17% profit instead, do you think?

How is it not relevant when discussing the money we hope to make on this stock, not to discuss the SP? It is the singular most important element of the equation.

There will come a time and day when you sell. The SP will be important then, will it not?

And just for your info, if you think we here, know more than the market about the science you are in cloud cuckoo land.

Do you think the "big" shareholders know what's what or are they just dumbly going around aimlessly buying and selling random stocks?

Its the PI's, who as a group are useless at making money,

In one breath, every one here accepts its a risky sector and when waiting for trial results who knows what will come out, but to try and discuss that risk and immediately its FUD, Troll, deramper, binned, ignore.

And just remember, it was this exact same attitude on this very BB, by some of the very same posters, that believed AVCT LFT could not fail and posted with the same closed, myopic view of potential outcomes.

greg, why are you having a go at me when (unfortunately) my forecast of this stock has so far over the last 6 months or so been correct?

ITS NOT FUD TO DISCUSS THE SP!

But its a useful tactic to shut down any conversation so well done again.

"So you think that the release of positive Data won’t lead to a rise? What about a licensing deal for AVA3996? What is the data? How effective is AVA6000? If there is a licensing deal then how much is it for? Since the market knows all the above and has it priced in, then go ahead and tell us all."

None of this is known that was and is my point.

The market generally is much more risk averse then many Pi's

I trade in and out of this stock frequently but keep a core holding because of the unprdictability of potential news. Happy now?

No bitl, very few (or the ones do are taking a HUGE risk) have a portfolio of one stock! (and small bio tech to boot!!!)

Yes LTBH is a perfectly acceptable strategy but it works on a multitude of stocks so as to compensate for the ones that don't perform.

I wish sometimes people would actually read what i say rather than just jump to what they want to see.

I did not miss your point riply, you are making a assumption that the SP will rise on the back of good news.

However, the news has been unremittingly positive for many weeks now and yet the SP is near the bottom of its months long trading channel. This SUGGESTS (thats all), that the market has already priced in success of ava600 part 1.

This is leading some/many? to ponder that a raise will therefore affect the SP negatively and will buy in then, given good news has not pushed it up..

Yes the market can confound and hopefully this will be such an occasion but it is by no means with all the unceratinty around it how this stock will react. (when will it happen, how good will the trial results be, when will the cash raise come, will there be more milestone payments first, what is the current cash position, what is the current cash burn), these are the unknowns that the market wants a clearer steer on.

Its not "negative" or "positive" Not a conspiracy, not a deramp. its just straightforward questions that need more clarity before many will actually commit.

yes investinme, never actually engage in a debate about how you come to your conclusions.

All you ever do is deflect.

My conclusions based on your posts are that you believe that you should buy and continue to hold this stock. Did I get that wrong?

What I have never figured out is why you think that, or based on the evidence of the TU and RNS your view has not altered.

But thats where you refuse to engage. And I don't know why. I don't know why you have then go off and be personal about me "having the last word" or, why you feel no need to discuss anything about EVE with me as though i was being rude or intrusive.

" My point was that I don’t understand the AIM fear of fundraising when the purpose is solid."

Because for the millionth time, its not about AVCT it about the SP.

If there is (and I have no idea when, if, how much etc etc) a fund raise through issuing more shares then the SP is likely to fall based on the lack presently of income to sustain the business.

Why buy now if you can possibly/probably get a 10/20% discount in a few weeks/months time?

Not everyone is as gung ho with their money as some here on this BB and take a view to maiximise returns.

Nothing is written in stone, everything is probabilities. But getting the best return you can is what the majority of people who play this game, aim to do.

They don't all go balls deep into 1 stock and hold it for years in the hope it all comes good.

Investinme,

I question your posts because you draw conclusions without explanation.

Yesterdays cryptic message could be construed as a ramp. this pist of yours we are discussing implied that the fall was not due to the dire trading position of EVE but somehow negative comments here by people who are paid to try and depress the SP.

You then tried to substaniate the fraudualny nature of the SP by referring to the buy sell ration of trades.

That is quite a statement, imo.

What I wanted to know is where you got your information from. Was it L2 data or somewhere else?

This ratios are at best indicative and are notoriously inaccurate as we have all over time seen our sells registered as buys or vice versa.

You cast aspersions my motives but actually never answer any query I put to you that you generate through your posts.

You simply deflect.

I have been very bearish for many months while the SP has unfortunately declined.

I hope you are right and a buyer appears at the 12th hour but so far it looks unlikely and I don't think you know anything at all as you have been a buyer around and above 1p, and made a few posts where you kept telling everyone you were buying yet more stock.

Surely if you knew anything you would have waited somewhat longer and bought lower down?

As you say its all opinion, but as I never get to understand your reasoning I don't value your's much either.

investinme, Are you calling CC a deramper?

I'm pretty sure it was the TU she released that caused the fall today.

Also, how do you know how accurate the buy/sell ratio is? Where do you get your Buy/sell info from?

dai, None of us know anything about anything which is why I go by charts. Its no worse than any other method and has the beauty of not needing to know all the differing views and just do what the market tells you.

Thats why I don't like these BB's just for the reason that they can put doubt or hope in the individuals mind without usually any helpful insight.

So If I think one thing but the SP tells me another, then I start to rack my brains on what could the market have figured out that I am ignoring.... (often works for me).

Anyway, right now, the chart looks worth a punt.

DGU, Eve would have had loads of creditors on a 30-90 day payment basis. And always paid on time i'm sure but probably not so much now.

I guess It must be about £100k a month wage bill for the reduced workforce on its own

Transport co, (and there might be more than one) rates, rents, energy, suppliers (and with the various different products there could be a few), accountants, VAT payments any any other 3rd parties that have work outsourced to them.