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Theosus, I don't need to. Posters like yourself are wanting the quick profit, I don't look at every day or week like you do.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, none of us possess.
If you don't believe your own outlook sell up, it's a simple casino is shares.
Instead of trying provoke me, tell me your own prediction for April 2022 and let's compare notes then.
I have made money not listening to posters on forums, so don't intend to change strategy now.
What is your prediction based on the negatives you have ? What annual % are you realistically hoping to make annually ?
Makes a difference to different investors.
Some people moan out of frustration understandably and others moan to de-ramp the share.
This share was around 24p a few weeks ago, now 62.5% higher, so not a bad investment for some.
Others who have seen it fall from say 60p are 35% down.so it does not take a rocket scientist to see how quick this can recover, especially with many positives to Lloyds and the general outlook.
It is a UK bank and UK has had a torrid 12 months.
Patience is the key now, those that trade good luck, although can be difficult to hit highs and lows.
Those that are happy waiting 12 months I believe this will be 70p to 80p plus, with an increasing dividend in 2022 ( and perhaps a special), so for many a less risky share to hold than many wanting the riskier quick returns.
Others can just sell up and move on, if they think this is going to drop through the floor.
I have seen many posters disagree on forums, but I have seen the minority views prove to win the case many times.ie many don't agree with falklandinvestor, but so far his predictions have been true.
For my part by April 2022 this will be 70p to 80p plus, however, if it was only 60p, would still be happy given what a turbulent year we had. You pays your money you takes your chances, happy to sleep at nights for me.
Antigua,
Exactly, big brown envelope. Just goes to show what snakes the board are.
One day they say don't vote for it, a week later, it's the best deal since sliced bread. How can you ever trust management like this, changing with the wind.
They will be getting rather large payouts. The first thing the board will have asked is what's in it for them, they never gave a sh*t about how shareholders would end up.
Sad end to the PMO we know but hopefully the future will be run by much better management.
Dodger16,
Hi Dodger, yes was very tempting at times to reinvest in here, but learnt from the lies from TD never to trust what he or their PR dept says, so was waiting until the final concrete details were released until invested again, so thankfully never put any more back in. Once they see the back of him, think they can prosper again, he created too many serious errors.
He will also be glad, as think he knew PMO was near to the brink and better to say company merged, than be the captain of the ship that sank. Just feel for the loyal LTH here, that put their faith in PMO for so many years.
Such a shame as really, this company was worth 30p - 50p but the fiasco with the RI etc...was the nail in the coffin. Still cannot see why they did not do a RI at higher prices...it was a gift horse never taken up.
I have some funds been sitting on to invest somewhere, but am much more cautious than I used to be. I got a few Lloyds, but looking for some others, but would like to see what happens to Trump, Brexit etc.....first.
Life is okay at the moment (bar Liver.) Enjoying not doing much these days....... must catch up when all this is over.
Stay safe and hope you & family are well and all going okay at your end. All the best.
Grippa, you spent years ramping PMO, calling people like me for having honest opinions, you should be ashamed of yourself. Many LTH will lose alot of money here. Seems like you got caught out as well. TD and his cronies done nothing to help this company, I mean it was 50p without the BP purchase.
Next time, let people give balanced views, without your personal attacks. Your long time hero CEO TD has shafted shareholders, seemingly, including yourself.
Guess you and Nigoil, will be sending him a congratulations and thank you card. If one positive from this, TD will be sent on his way, to destroy another good company.
Good luck all holders, hope you get a good return.
All at sea,
Keep strong mate, we are all with you and good luck with all the treatment. Hope this investment turns around for you and all other holders here.
Hi Outbutnotdown, I see your sense of humour still in good spirits. LOL Good luck with your ingrown toenail removal, am sure you will live to fight another day. LOL
All the best to you. :)
HappyInvestor, Antigua, rookie1, etc....
Thanks for the kind words of support, decided to retire, so just got to get on now and make most of everything, which is what I am doing, so in a sense, forces you to live life.
Been on this BB for a few years and there will always be comments from both sides of fence (and many who change views along the way, depending on PMO situation) It's what makes for good discussion and the realty is, its one big casino, so can go either way at any time. Luck plays its part as much as analysing fundamentals.
I guess it was the creditors that were happier with lending against further producing assets , which led to TD looking to buy more, so on surface all seemed straight forward, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Hope TD pulls this out the bag and private investors, get their just rewards or at least get to break even. Good luck to all.
shaf5
Thanks for your kind wishes. Unfortunately i will not recover from the condition, only hope is slow the process down a bit, give me longer. You say you were diagnosed with "non fatty alcoholic liver disease" do you mean non alcoholic fatty liver disease or alcoholic liver disease. There is big difference, as one caused by drinking too much and other is too much fat in liver. (i.e. eating unhealthy and no exercise, i was 21.5 stone, I only eat health now, salads etc...and have not had a drop of alcohol for 9 months. )
If you have just fatty liver disease, or Alcoholic liver disease (big difference) there is time for you to reverse it, but if you leave it and continue, you will get Liver Cirrhosis which you cannot reverse and longer term is generally fatal i.e. leads to liver failure. (there is transplant but liver transplants not all successful ) Alcoholic Liver Cirrhosis is worse than Non Alcoholic Liver Cirrhosis
Apparently I had fatty liver for around 10 years but did not know and it developed into the serious Liver Cirrhosis (found out on Jan 3rd this year) which I cannot reverse, so future not bright. My great advice to you is get your liver back to normal before its too late, when that Liver Consultant tells you you have Cirrhosis and there is no cure (when the liver is mainly dead cells and will never recover,) it is really hard to take, knowing one day, it may start to fail and you maybe wont see your family again, a massive shock to the system. Don't delay, start it now before too late.... you have the chance at your stage to reverse it, so do it now, before its too late Shaf5..... : )
have a look at this link ...will make you realise how serious it is. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cirrhosis/
Good luck Shaf5 and if you invested in PMO, hope you make a big win here.
Outbutnotdown,
if its a serious question (and not sarcastic) thanks for asking. I am at stage 4 Non Alcholic Liver Cirrhosis (last stage) , go now every few months for various scans, bloods etc..., to check on changes i.e. cancer in Liver etc.... so just getting through month by month, hoping liver holds up as long as possible, that's all i can hope.
Cirrhosis of liver has no medication or reversal, but I have lost over 6.5 stone, (since Jan 3rd when i was diagnosed) so Liver Consultant said it should have helped to slow the process i.e. most of the cells are dead, so just managing on the live cells left for moment.
Just enjoying my life as much as possible, but doing more exercise these days, than I have ever done, to try and keep healthy and I don't get stressed like I used to...whats the point ! I sat at desk for 17 years.....eating wrong foods.....lack of exercise.....Only advice to anyone is keep healthy. (I didnt)
Thanks for asking though, good luck on here.
I see the "its going to be £1 mob" have disappeared, having given people false hopes, now replaced by the "its going to be 65p"
With PMO there is always jam tomorrow. The SP at moment is a reflection of the risk involved today, given this could go either way, depending on oil price, how the refinancing negotiations will finish and what will be the extra shares added.
Having been through the deceit of PMO management before, with their vague statements and playing with words, am leaving it until I 100% know what the final outcome is. May miss the initial rise, but I wont get caught up in any underhand or leaked bad news, if there is any, as we will always be the last to know.
For those that are happy with the risk, could make a good few quid, but on other hand, at 16p, are large % losses on way down.
To all my old colleagues here, Cash, Dodger, Sauer, Antigua etc.... good luck and hope its positive outcome for everyone invested here and it goes your way. Good luck all.
I really feel for the long term holders here, especially new investors, who have not been in this share for the past few years. TD has seemingly not learn any lessons yet.
antigua18, Cashferret, Alphamale, Sauer , MRD, etc...have all seen the ups and downs of TD running this, but where it is now beggars belief. All the mistakes of old are coming to the front again. Without TD, this share price would increase considerably, these latter mistakes are most of his making.
I have no doubt the SP will rise again, but we are in the same old period of uncertainty with this share again and many will want to see how it pans out first, maybe missing an initial rise, but with less risk.
Dodger16, remember our chat a good few months ago, all coming to fruition, you can read T.Durrant like a book. Always plays with words and evasive with the truth, not healthy for a CEO. Lets see if the same PI's that he has shafted for years, bail him out with the equity raise.
I will wait to see the full facts of the equity raise, before I take a further punt.
Good luck to all holders.
Hi Dodger, good to hear from you, hope you doing well.
I have been keeping half an eye, to see what TD and his merry men we're going to be doing, especially with the rights issue. Until the true facts are out there, I never wanted to make any commitment. I still do not get why he did not announce the rights issue price before he knew it would drop with the uncertainty.
As you say I may take a bit of a punt in very near future.
Hope everything is going well with you Dodger16, good luck with whatever your invested in.
Yes, TD massaged the truth when he extended the time to sell zama, he knew exactly the reason behind the delay.
I have never trusted what he says, so have just been waiting until I actually see what happens not what I hear from pmo.
This is the exact reason I have been waiting to see what the full details of the rights issue are. Unfortunately we did not get what the rights issue price was going to be hence will be a little certainty in the short term.
Always good to catch up Cash, nice to see you still got TD sussed and never to take what he says at face value, history always repeats itself.
Good luck with your investments.
I see good old TD still at it, never learnt from past few years. At least you still got him sussed.
No rights Issue price, so leave the uncertainty for investors, nice one Tony.
Always jam tomorrow with him.
Might have a dabble again in near future, been waiting patiently to see what he may screw up in this rights issue and refinancing.
Good luck to you Cash , Dodger16 etc..and other LTH
Chinese have got a great deal to answer for. They have cost lives and cost the world billions, putting most countries in recession and pretty well affected every person on the planet in some way. Every country should send invoices for what they have cost them.
Unfortunately, countries like China, never seem to learn from their mistakes and we will no doubt have some other deadly viruses originate from there again in the future.
China will continue as they have before, while other countries face the consequences of all this.
In the meantime, disappointed Lloyds showing no sign of recovery and percentage drops each day, getting high.
In all of this, one consolation, is now USA shale is getting hammered at this price and lets hope most of them go to the wall. (even though we know some can set up quickly again)
They have been a pain for the last few years, total free for all attitude, with no care about the state of the market, so now they will feel the pain like everyone else. Russia must also have some smiles, that shale is suffering in all this.
This will put a new perspective on oil companies, that this could be a realistic scenario again in the future.
OPEC must be wondering what would have happened if they did not cut production, although
1.) does anyone trust them all keeping to agreement
2.) They would have had to cut anyway, (which is why they came round the table to pretend they were being proactive) as where are they going to store all this surplus oil in couple of weeks time ?
Actually, I think some countries must be under immense pressure to stop lock down and get their economy back to work.
Of course, in couple of years, this will all be fish & chip paper news and forgotten about probably, put into the archives as one of those disasters of the past.
Crazy times ahead !
Antigua18, luck & risk plays a good part in this game, its just like a casino. I took the risk, luck played its part, but very thankful of the outcome I had. Who would know this virus was round the corner. (apart from the lying Chinese Government) Keep the faith , am sure all will work out.
SauerKraut, thanks mate, same with you. Stay safe , All the very best.
Good luck to everyone. Catch up again soon guys.
Thanks Cash.
Yes I liked MrD, think he just got carried away in the moment with TLW. Shares can sometimes draw you further in, I have seen many companies where after a big fall, you can make a good bit in a short time, but equally, many just proceed to have another big fall, out the blue. I very much try & play the less riskier options, am more interested in a steady 5% + than the risky high %. Seen too many lose too much in this game and don't want to go through the stressful times we had in here in the past, even though I done okay in the end.
In the meantime, the fund managers will be enjoying the volatility of oil and playing it like a fiddle.
Good luck with any investments you may do Cash, you are in a good position to be in cash presently and am sure will hear of your successes in a few months time.
Best wishes to you & Family. #keepsafe