Hi All
For me nothing has really changed since the initial impact of the conflict;
- chance of sale significantly compromised
- sp has fallen of a cliff
- financial position of the company remains appropriate despite all of the “it’s going under ‘soon’” crys from all of the negative posters, and btw, relevant to this point ‘Soon’ has become the derampers version of the BOD’s Shortly.
Company is still trading and the recent news regarding the tax position is a massive positive, both for the current financial position but also relevant to any sale.
Am I pleased with the performance? “lol, of course not.” Would I have sold when it was at the previous high had I of known what was to come? “Yes!!!” but that is a HandPumps question at any time and I have no clue why people keep referring back to what the SP was, the landscape has changed so much since that point that the pre conflict SP is now genuinely irrelevant.
Having suffered the losses down to this current place; as it stands I see no reason to sell; I’m not expecting a massive profit, but, I am still of the opinion that this ends with a sale that suits most that are invested that have realistic expectations.
All the very best to all those In and Genuine
All - short cut to what worth reading today, have a good night.
All the best to those In and Genuine.
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RE: Guess the date - Ian’s competitionToday 16:42
It's not deferred at all..
Queeld failed to provide indemnity it wold appear which is standard practice for lost share certificates.
Queeld look to have claimed that they had lost the share certificates and wanted the company to issue new ones.
The company believe Queeld may have sold the shares to another party some years ago so to protect shareholders from possible dilution refused to issue new certificates without indemnity.
The judge it seems has taken a common sense approach and will allow Queeld to get new share certificates if no one else claims ownership. If anyone else claims ownership then that is between Queeld and that party, not EUA.
Eua will either issue new certificates (and hopefully cancel the old if possible) to Queeld in march 2024 or they will not if another party has proof they purchased the shares from Queeld. As far as EUA is concerned this is case closed imo. Hopefully EUA and Queeld only paid for their own council.
Morning All,
Looking forward to another day of hearing ‘why it makes sense that it will be tomorrow.’
I say this specifically regarding the Gazette, but, you can apply this to pretty much all previous and future headings.
I have just caught up on yesterday threads, the highlight being; how to value a business based on complete theory, if in doubt pretend. At this stage, the value of any deal will be controlled by how much the material is wanted and more importantly ‘needed’ by a purchaser and then will be inflated or diluted by how many interested parties there are at the table and/or interested and finally how required the sale is by EUA; costs like material reclaim will be well known and all non reoccurring costs will have been baked in.
Put a figure out there on this BB and you will find both someone capable of justifying it and someone capable of pulling it apart - all guess work.
As always, thanks to those that put forward useful content to which in truth over the last few months has both given me to reason to be confident and concerned, very much ‘hoping’ for a positive outcome for all invested.
All the very best to those In and Genuine.
MrY - seems to me that Tilly’s last shot dented your ego and caused a defensive reaction lol.
Just for clarity; Tilly and/or any other need not take responsibility either way; if someone is stupid enough to buy or sell because of positive or negative scribings, that’s on the individual, there are of course boundaries but IMHO, I read Tilly’s content for what it is and frankly Burt and Ernie could break this code.
What isn’t cool is the level of the lies built by the likes of yourself and the constant abusive reaction to any and everything posted by investors to whom are genuinely wanting to debate information - the worth of this BB has now been diluted to such a level that most only drop in to search for links, the general conversation posted by the likes of yourself is impossible to keep up with and absent of any worth.
All the very best to those In and Genuine
Dear lord, spin spin spin.
There is nothing inconsistent in my entire history, read back should you wish x
I’ve made a terrible investment, ‘based on events that have occurred to which are relevant to a landscape that EUA has becoming hostage to’ - that’s my take, completely up to you as to whether you do or don’t agree.
Sell or hold - again your choice.
SpikeyJ - As for me being rampy, this is well beyond ramp or deramp. Can you afford to hold? If you can’t afford to lose you entire worth invested then of course you should sell, the variables are not stable.
I’m holding because I’m invested at a level where I’m comfortable, not trying to get rich. This is a line on a page for me, not the line on the page.
All the very best to those In and Genuine.
You can hold and see what happens, or sell and recoup some of you funds.
I’ve just gone down the rabbit hole of reading the countless posts of utter Tosh, got to the point where I couldn’t stop based on how ridiculous a number of you are.
Had the BOD pushed through a sale ‘pre conflict’ then of course we would have been in a better position, but the exact same people that are moaning about where we are now would have been moaning that we sold on the cheap had the conflict not occurred - THE BOD were never going to sell cheap, rightly so, read the company build, why would they.
So what, currently this is a loser; I didn’t factor in the conflict, that’s on me and I imagine despite having a reasonably low average that I’m in deeper than the vast majority, BUT guess what, not a penny more than I can afford to write off if the worst should occur.
It’s actually ‘beginning’ to get to the point where I hope this goes south so those whom moan get pulled under, “Shut UP banging on and making $hit UP!” Just sell or wait, there is literally nothing you can do to affect the outcome as it currently stands.
Grow Up - if you can’t afford to lose don’t invest, at no point was this a Banker, literally, at no point.
All the very best to those In and Genuine - I honestly hope that those that have invested sensibly and for the right reasons get a fair outcome.
Chessmaster1+1=11 : What an absolute load of clap trap. Your entire narrative is based on many assumed (made up) details.
Reading your message; it is also clear that you have no access to any additional information, nor have you extensive understanding of large Co sales.
I suspect you to be just another hand pump pushing an agenda.
I’m not even saying that your suggestion is impossible, unlikely, likely, ish or anything in between; I am simply saying that you a perceived agenda built from the foundation of your own average and is thereafter established on what your desired acceptable outcomes would be. Without the applicable facts, you are no less away with the faires than anybody that you throw your verbal at.
All the best to those In and Genuine.
Conflict continues to create a hurdle but discussions for what is a great asset/purchase/company continue.
Literally could not expect anything more, in the event it was more positive I would be doubting the integrity of it.
See you all at the next RNS.
All the best to those In and Genuine.
Truthfactory - 6,419 post, $hit the bed, thats a whole lot of truth lol.
Tbf, I don’t read the BB ‘at all’ anymore I dropped in this eve to re read a some legacy detail and caught your most recent post, seriously wow, 6,419, you are without doubt, what I refer to as either a Melt or a HandPump.
All the very best to those in and genuine.
They will answer what the have to and very little else, this assuming that the position of the conflict remains as it currently is.
If they had a confirmed position, 'to which they felt it was in shareholders interest to know' they wouldn't be waiting to deliver such at the AGM.
At this time, I am pleased to see that the financial integrity remains appropriate; I do not expect to hear anything beyond such unless a significant development positive or negative is crystallised.
All the very best to those in and genuine.
I haven’t been on for an age, check in due to drop. Same old toilet being said by the same old HandPumps!!!!
Holding my investment at my own risk, based on my own research until the conflict ends or enters a chapter that enable a sale(s).
I am accountable for my investment; in making this investment I accept the lawful actions of the BOD and will continue to unless asked and/or entitled to vote, allow them to construct a deal that they feel suits the shareholders ‘and themselves best’, I will also accept that when a hurdle ‘major or minor’ changes the direction of the outcome that it hasn’t been done intentionally and thus will not cry like a baby wanting a feed.
Incompetence with a company is plausible, of course, but as an investor even this ‘assuming lawful’ is accountable to one person, myself.
All the very best to those In and Genuine.
Hi Toffers - hoping you are well.
My view as it always is; don’t guess or speculate on short term information.
The outcome on Litigation(s) will be made apparent in due course and as for the $’s, I have never had an issue with the fiscal management of EUA as I deem all med and long term information releases to be appropriate and robust in the detail.
All the very best to those In and Genuine
Morning All,
With the great respect to all on both sides on the fence; any information outside of confirmation of a full sale or partial event will still only cause a minor correction in the SP.
Due to our geographic situation we are completely attached to the outcome of the conflict, in the short, med and long term, the only way a genuine SP correction will occur is when a significant and positive development occurs.
So, ‘in my humble opinion’ you can hang around waiting for updates to which I do believe will be positive and will give reassurance for the long term, BUT just don’t be to disappointed when the material change to the SP isn’t immediate.
I think the only investors that get out of this in profit in the short to med term are those that have invested since the SP went sub 5p, as regardless of the information released without external factors changing massively it’s difficult to see an increase beyond that level.
Based on what we know about the company the SP looks great value; based on what we know and don’t know about the conflict you have to say that this is a long term investment, if a satisfactory Out was achieved in the short/med term this would have to be considered as a massive win.
All just IMHO, just trying to be balanced whilst continuing to back what I believe are a decent BOD.
All the best to those In and Genuine.
CTC - so you are stating ‘facts’ that aren’t currently facts but, are based on fictional events that are simply plausible, excellent.
This is simply, perception of risk and is up to each individual ‘to whom is sensible enough to do their own research’ to arrive at. It’s ridiculous that you feel it necessary to monopolise all conversations/feeds with your perceptions (that’s not a question btw).
CTC: Lord of Fictional Facts (and poss LSE ****also)
All the very best to those In and Genuine
Aubery - business expenditure is not up for debate here, you/we have the exact same details to work with.
I have not and have never had an issue with the way the BOD run the business; time will of course tell as to whether or not a/any bad decision were made regarding a sale pre the conflict, absolutely nothing anybody can do about this now and at worst I suspect the desire to achieve best value delayed a deal to the point where the landscape fundamentally changed, that's business.
"Burning through" - to make such a statement you would require a mountain of information that you can not possibly have.
All the very best to those In and Genuine.
Hi All,
RNS consumed and appreciated, position remains pretty straight forward for me, nibble at this SP whilst it available.
6month ago I was reading on here by the so called 'informed' that EUA would be out of cash by now. This point just goes to show how little these said individuals actually know about the companies position and/or business, much the same for those to whom show concern about the salaries being paid.
Feels like an honest holding RNS, an update that was needed due to the amount of time since the last.
All the very best to those In and Genuine