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MrsN
I know right. It's pathetic and there is no wonder only a few sensible posters bother here. It's just they can't formulate a proper argument so they resort to it after a post or two. That said I usually respond in kind eventually. They are such slow moving targets its hard to resist. Some of its just banter.
Alan
Jimmy Saville and Hitler used to get a lot of likes too. Then there was this bloke who walked into Jonestown and said "hang on are you sure you should drink that" and got a load of dirty looks.
Fact is you should judge on what is said and how much sense it makes. You make none. Some brexit post with some random unrelated bigoted comment stuck on it shows you don't even understand Brexit.
Ly.. I don't disagree inequality is one cause of problem and unhappiness.
Populism is something different though Its finding out what people chunter about and are worried about, picking something powerful in their imagination and telling them that's the problem
A bit like saying........ You know that Iraq war and the government lying, and the credit crunch abd bankers pay and all those problems, and these council services we shut down and this drugs and knife crime thing... well forget about all those... what really makes you mad is this immigrant here picking fruit and that one taking your pulse. Its them.... And did you hear what Juncker said about Brexif yesterday ?. Vote for us again we will sort the bastards out.
Crooked leaders have been at it since time began. Its at the next level these days though..imho.
Calisto
Hmm .. no.. I don't think there are more nutters on the far left. We have a significant right wing terrorist thing going on as MI5 and police report... and some actions testify. That doesn't mean I sympathise with the extreme left in any way. I am no fan even of Corbyn and McDonnell.
Some.. a number of European countries have bigger problems than us agreed. But there are 27 countries, in the main getting by well enough.
Our political processes are in as bad a mess as any in Europe, even if the our leadrrs and population are in the main level headed and moderate. I doubt we are much envied. We lost a UN vote 116 to 6 the other day. We were in the wrong but it suggests we lost some influence lately to me.
We are a country which pushes back against extremism usually so long as we see it coming and use our nappers. I remain optimistic... though we might have forgotten some lessons of the past. All Imho
Thatcherhelpus
You are right.. the milk shake idiots are childish idiots defeating their own case and acting like p""""s. Farage is right to prosecute.. all should be in court as well as anyone else who tries similar. The Remain leaders are pathetic too imo. I contacted the Lib Dems and Change UK to tell them so.. how weak their message was yesterday. Amoebic almost at times and Corbyn's a fool or worse.
We have to think for ourselves on what is real and best, not what the t%%%ers at the top on either side do. Whichever side we come out on. The pounds a good barometer if you ask me. Out for fresh air before the rain comes.
As you ask I will say a bit more...
The slide we are in could be potentially dangerous imho because ideas based on fears and populism take us a step in a certain direction. When more problems arise more populism can be used to override rational thinking and we can go a step further, taking moderate people with it.
It's not great to mention it because it is so extreme an example and I am not comparing anyone to then but... Hitler used anger over WW1 and the economy, fear of communists and the Jews to gain power. He broke the moderate state down by trickery to take complete power and then vastly overspent to draw people in farther and used all that to take their country to war and disaster.
Here austerity and bad leadership, and exploitation of fears of refugees and the EU.... and unrealistic promises have brought us to where we are today. Populism has replaced rational thought and people are even saying they are happy if the country is poorer and weaker so long as we follow what are at best half truths.
Political order is broken down a bit just now. I have faith in this country to see through that. But next could come worse, more extreme answers and a continuing cycle. This is not 1930's Germany and things are less extreme. Let's hope reason prevails, but give it time, things are changing by the month. Keep voting based on slogans, fear, suspicion and see where it takes us.
It's why I keep pointing out facts. It's not just the popularity it gains me.
Calisto
I gave you my honest view. I always do. Yaxley Lennon and pals are some, there are plenty hanging around the extremes, the EDL, BNP etc. No.... "brexiteers" in general are not far right.. that would be nonsense and you know that. Most brexiteers are just normal moderate people pissed off at things.
Calisto...
You asked my opinion on a complex question....
Far right ? There's a lot, but I class fewer we see, and probably fewer than you think, as that. Steve Bannon is a goid visible example, and has a group called the Movement through which he aims to coordinate the far right in Europe and globally. Behind him is the far right in America.
Viktor Orban, the Austrian Freedom party, German afP, Le Pen, Yaxley Lennon and some Ukippers, Salvini etc. are far right, or at least they are supported by some of the far right.
People in the mainstream are not too often far right in themselves, or at least hide it well because it is political suicide to appear to be. Our own more right wing main stream politicians are rarely if ever far right. Might work with it occasionally because their simplistic populist approach favours direction the far right want.
Break down of reasonable tolerant order and moderate politics in Europe favours the agenda of extremes, the far right especially.imho.
Bruce.. agreed the Brexit party can't be said to be right wing. We can't really call it centre ground either really yet, as it has no agreed policies other than being a vehicle for Brexit.
The people in leadership behind the scenes who lead on Brexit often are more extreme. The most powerful and initial pushers are from the right, who stand to gain most, then there's the deluded left including Corbyn who hope to create a socialist state from it.
They are all fighting to gain the support of the more moderate bulk of the population by playing on fears and anger at the last ten or more years.
What we can all agree on I think is this has brought a degree of chaos, we should fear the people who want that chaos.
Stagecoach did not say anything to label people far right, he said people were bitterly divided and politics badly damaged. You just twisted his words to cause trouble.
One thing's very clear, most people here are not far right, or immoderate and really want what's best. Unfortunately moderate reasonable politics is taking a battering just now and the far right has gained through the worst political leadership we have seen in a century on both sides. The pound is on its 13th day of losses as the debate becomes more polarised and rational thought is replaced by ideology and media sound bites. There's no doubt there are people with far right views in leadership positions or behind the scenes, some who are enemies of peace and the UK who are cheering for all this.
Snige
Quite. The link to religion doesn't seem to stand up. Dubai is developing a 30 square mile solar farm capable of powering 1.3 million modern homes and saving 6.5 million tonnes of Co2 per annum at a record low tariff.
Oh dear LTI. I thought you got it by now.
"Net income can mean a surplus of income or a deficit of income"
"Income minus expenditure equals the net income"
Your words, in which you make clear your belief the word "income" on its own does not mean "net income". And that while "net income"
Can mean a surplus of income or a deficit of income, the word "income" on its own can not.
So.. had you said net income in the first place it would have made more sense.
Are we agreed yet that 800 is a bigger number than 35?