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Baz/Trouble. As we all know. The issue with holding Nano is that over the years we have been on the edge of "greatness" several times, we have been millionaires several times.
I'm just hoping, no....praying, that this is it.
I think if this time we don't get this over the line, then I'm done.
Nope. EDF told to ramp up the 27 Nuclear plants.
Just love it when we give our money to the French, in the EU.
"Take back our borders and our own destiny.!!" hhhhhhhmmmmm..........except Power I guess.........
damn.... 25%.......... That's got to be worth some sardines for nettles.
44p to 49.90p.......
15% Thats not a bad punt....
If you hold out, it might be 5p, or £5, who knows.!
Yes, it is taxable.....BUT.....remember all those years of losses......well, they have all been carried forwards.....
So all those losses will offset some of any award, whether settlement or actual court award.
Is Hybris the same as Hybrid, but from Ancient Greece instead.?
JTT.
Honestly, I'm praying for a settlement, plus forward licensing, and the settlement being global.
26m TV @ $20 license x 2 (past and future years) = $1bn, or £3 ish a share.....is what I'm praying.
Samsung always take it to the wire, they have on all their court cases, and some they drag through court, and then appeal.
The good thing is that if they do appeal, it should, hopefully, be thrown out.
The challenge is that if there is no settlement, and we win in the US, that only deals with the US, then we go to Germany, UK, China etc. etc. but am hopeful either way.
This week will be nerve racking.
217,000 shares @ 12p buy in, and we are currently at 44p......I'm bricking it.
JTT.
I'm hoping it is the 20th Sept, as the 19th is when hopefully Nano goes through the roof, and I sell Nano and then buy a few more of RR, because obviously I don't have enough already.
So the question that I have is.....
Even though we won 47-0 over 5.
Even though we have won the motions.
Even though we have the relevant experts allowed.
IF.....and I mean IF Samsung does win, I'm going to assume, putting two and two together, that obviously from the US case we get nothing, the chances of then winning the Germany case dramatically drops, and the only "light" we have is maybe an STMicro commercialized order, maybe.....
So, maybe, Nano would be worth 6p again.?
My gut says we are 99.9% of the way to winning, my heart says we are 99.9% of the way to winning, and my head says the same....
BUT..... there is the 0.1% question that I need to ask.................
Monday 12th September 2022. Global Settlement offered, £2 p/s + future licensing.
(I can only dream, but hey, it's a sweepstake, so i will take the rank outsider.!)
Cannot believe that the MM's are allowed to do this across multiple shares, and get away with it.
This should be well over 50p now with the litigation in the US, the litigation announcement in Germany, the signing of the new packages, and the potential to actually be profitable for the first time in Nano's history......
Absolutely incredible. Not that it makes any difference as I've been in this far too long to try to trade this, but the point still needs to be made.
oh oh...yes....good point JTT.
I'm like a nodding dog trying to take a tablet, which annoys the hell out of the wife.
So, add me to the soluble version........still red though.......
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Not that I want to defend DimWit, but he has been around for a very very long time.
His original name was NigWit until he got banned for a year I think it was, he then annoyed people on the other site, and then came back here as NigWitty.
I'm an old holder, but he was pre me.
CW.
ps. Obviously it's a court case, so there is always a chance they could lose...........
Just to weigh up the "ramping vs deramping"
Henry and Charles will be turning in their graves.
CW.
Very quick summary...
US Court Case is 12th Sept, for one week.
MAXIMUM Potential is 26m TV's x $18 x 3 (Wilful Infringement) + 26m TV's forward Licensing @ $18 + ROW approx. 26m x $18 x 2 (Back charges + Forward charges - Unsure any Wilful multiple anywhere else in the world) = GLOBALLY, assuming they get a "settlement" would be $2.8bn (approx. $9.20 a share = £8 a share).....
That's the best best best case........although some will say that Nano could charge the difference between a OLED and a normal TV, which would be $800 per TV.....unrealistic I believe....
Samsung are playing very hard ball, BUT, the beauty of the new German Charges, is that in Germany, they issue immediate injunctions and STOP all Sales of "illegal IP theft", so the threat is gigantic. In the US, you have to apply etc. etc.
Realistically, assuming they win in the US, I believe that Samsung will then settle Globally, if they don't do it before the trial.
A £2 a share is, in my view, a low end.
Noting that Nano have won ALL the Patent reviews 47 claims out of 47 claims........and Nano have won all major Motions, and can have experts now in the trial detailing the added worth of the Nanodots within the Samsung TV's, I'm letting my monies ride.....
217,000 Shares originally at 12p......
For all those that took the punt, I hope you are watching..... Nanoco just tightened the screws and are now taking Samsung to court in Germany as well.......Watch this space.! eom.
There is a fundamental difference between what some people are saying however "deramping" vs using logic.
Any court case no matter how good your case, you can always lose. That is logical.
The "ramper" people are stating that the case is in an excellent position, with a 47-0 win over 5, wins on the relevant crucial motions etc. However those are facts, not "ramping".
If anyone looks at Nano vs Samsung, and says that this is not a "done deal", then they are being realistic.
There are arguments for, and arguments against.
The key piece, that gets up peoples nose is not the fact that there are always obvious chances that Nano can lose, that is a given, is it likely, well based on the information provided, based on the transcripts, based on the RNS's, it's being shown/seen/viewed and translated that Nano have an extremely strong case, but when you have someone that will only provide the negatives, rather than a balanced view of Yes, Nano do have an exception case, but we know what Samsung's history is like, and there is a very small limited chance that Samsung will settle out of court, that is a more realistic view people rather than saying, Samsung have a strong case, Samsung have this, Samsung have that, without the balanced view of where we are...........
I stopped posting on the other board purely for the fact of DimWit's constant negative approach.......not a balanced view point....
To Summarize..........
Yes, Nano have a very strong case.
Yes, there is always a chance that Samsung can win the court case, as Jury court cases are never a given.
Yes Nano has won 47-0 over 5, and they have the motions on their side as well.
Yes, Samsung are unlikely to settle, prior to the court case, or even during the court case, but, again, there is always a chance that they might.
Thanks Basscadet.
Its always funny watching and reading some of the posts, especially from DimWit.
Anything could happen, at any point in time, and anyone that says that it couldn't are stupid.
Any time up to and including the actual week of the case itself.
Day one might go back, and Samsung ask for the side meeting.
Maybe day two, day three, or just whilst the Jury is out, or maybe tomorrow at 9am, who knows.
What we do know is that if nothing happens, then we will go to court.