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All acting parity school children done something naughty no one wants to talk about DMG. This silence is based upon a fact that DMG, is pyrolysis. And the Eu, refused to fund pyrolysis.
The Eu, basis the decision on what pyrolysis was rather on what PHE, developed an advanced form of pyrolysis. No one wants to confront this issue and very fact pyrolysis can remove material capable of being recycled and therefore open to abuse. Another reason HUI, model cannot work. Actual specifics of I’ll withhold at this moment.
Only time will tell. Surely HUI, have a timetable grant application approval or denial within Poland? All strange that it is a mystery? That no word on progress? That or see previous post.
Piltick wrote “Patxaran, I agree that it's odd that neither PHE nor HUI seem to be prepared to acknowledge that it is the DMG technology that is intended for the Ireland project, despite the collaboration agreement that is in place between the …”
Cure boy, PHE, have four billion plus shares and perhaps no longer able raise anymore funds nor want? HUI, was a spin off to allow more fund raising and to address the challenges of DMG in Eu. I believed HUI, would be tasked to bring in one project and remove generally all market barriers . There is also a large shareholder that sticks their nose into both companies and this I believe a problem? All rather a mess.
It is impossible to only discuss PHE, both are one of the same. Least until PHE, remove HUI, from breach of contract or service delivery failure?
Patxaran, exactly HUI are the global partner it’s their job to find clients beyond UK. These clients must eventual enter into dialogue with PHE. HUI, have no expertise in DMG, no rights to consultancy fees either. My confusion is whom are now the experts at PHE, given David Ryan, now gone? No announcement of PHE, retaining his services only that he planned become a consultant. He I doubt work for shares? Engsolve, bought by PHE, does hold one expert? Only one? This is a huge concern. That one person I doubt work without a fee? The consultancy fees I suspect are hundreds of thousands of pounds. HUI, need to contribute real cash to PHE, to be taken seriously.
Everyone should “listen” to that interview with HUI, CEO. Compare the dialogue of the interviewer to what was outputted by HUI. Both people are polar opposites, the interviewer is calm and at ease, professional, competent, joy to listen, the interviewer flows positivity and in nature invites one to search out more from the company represent. Now listen to the representative of HUI, not calm at all very enturbulated like ship in a storm without a rudder or engine, total panic on the bridge, far from communicating competence, speaks at a speed try fill time, the panic try stop any more questions or inputs from a person in control the interviewer.
HUI, are a company origin from Poland, going where? Did we gain any detail, include from Ireland? What we got was hydrogen news, same garbage Grahamwales posts. If I want that I’ll go on Twit, or search in Google. I want meaningful in-depth news of HUI, Poland, a clear path in Ireland. What I found out from elsewhere a lot of money was given away and all without pre discussion with PHE? The SPV, should been discussed from before any move was made. We were led to believe HUI, stand in its own two feet and that HUI, would fund all its Eu, ventures. We know now appear incapable keeping to an agreement and not want to pay services rather that a technology company should be seen per level investment house?
HUI, the jury is no longer out. I expect a huge fall in their SP?
Very positive article moots many things I’ve already raise particular about engagement Moroccan population. The government will want everyone to know and to believe they could be a team member (earn a wage).
That is a shocking way to conduct business. Sooner PHE, consolidate their shares to rid themselves of theses nuisances the better.
This SPV 50/50 does it exclusive take DMG, or in part or whole another technology?
HUI, had halve a million quid they could put that up least pay many of the fees associated to installation of DMG. Frivolous use of the money but hey not my penny.
I believe the HUI partnership be finished and back to the model the one that just required Protos up and running. Build one and they will come running. No need this PR stunt HUI.
Ideas, does hang imminently by a thread. I believe after that rather enthusiastic start from Graham, his only error and maybe one for those whom endlessly dwell on that and Ideas, give. you a plenty. Way too many words to read them all.
Government cannot share data until the meeting is set and they require all to agree. I wrote before that majority or whole given wrote “government” await the previous announcements to be fully completed. Money spent, more tangible works equal more confidence.
Morocco been hoodwinked before by a large multinational declaring riches that one even involved the King himself being paraded on a stage middle of a desert. Once bitten, twice shy.
Ideas, does any business have control over a government? A company is only able to control that what they control and in terms of ESIA. EML stated they are above and beyond the in-country requirements to gain successful application. I’ve no reason to doubt that EML, do the RIGHT thing.
EML, been asked to publicise their mine in-country in a country that is not as well connected terms media & press access as say the UK. Morocco, where people many of are nomadic, live in small pockets of land, many live in homes the size of a couple sheds, four walls, flat roof & single solar panel. Least my experience visited Morocco. Word of mouth is very much the news spreader. Government want the people to know, to be prepared to move, this preparation in an orderly way, no rush, the people know, they themselves are able to apply for work in a timely manner. And yes, are people whom will say this could all be done during the construction phase., etc. During that phase workers are necessity.
The permit as you indicate will be issued. My view before the end of this year, most certainly. Do I indicate maybe later rather than sooner, yes, the exact month? I’m not in the Moroccan government and cannot possibly know. Fingers crossed I’m wrong and sooner the better.
Patience people, stake build, and profit long term while everyone else flounders, at worst many to fall into a crater never return.
Wrightbus went into administration and was saved by the son of the owner JCB. The agreement may have fell away. However, agreement only ever a PR stunt. Wrightbus will source hydrogen from wherever hydrogen is available, now not on a promise to build, see my previous post.
Wolves, thanks for your validation. My motives are that like many we are totally upset at what is going on the flip flopping, one CEO, to the next a certain person a shareholder sticking in their nose to alter PHE, and at the moment best to describe as a wrecking ball.
HUI, another disaster I could go into great detail but will refrain. If you all knew the errors and are viewing some of them live as they happen & I have mentioned least one the lack Eu, conformity and therefore zero availability to sell a DMG, or whatever HUI, call DMG? I suspect now changed the name (schizophrenic, running away from a word and changes the word basis the person or group feels better about the new word).
Main hurdle is Eu, conformity of DMG, and HUI, already admitted there is no schedule nor public path to remove this main hurdle.
We can guess that Linde, hold a key but HUI are in partnership with Linde Group without any fixed contract to bring in play DMG, Eu ready. HUI, admitted the plant does require documentation and redesign, but no schedule to complete as HUI, decided to offer Linde first refusal. Least did offer first refusal to build DMG, up until the Irish announcement.
Piltick, seen the latest Twit post. Two guys in a high vis jacket, take a few more than that to get the works going.
People be best pulling their funds out HUI, until the fairy story gets going for real, if ever?
All speculation the DMG, unit right now isn’t on sale.
What are my bids today 1.5, 1,5, yes, one penny & a halve, no? 1.3, 1,3 one penny do I hear and sold! A penny share.
OCP are not interested they never was. And that is a positive. Maybe much later in the mine life when the debt is gone and excess capacity be available they’ll then display interest?
Very prudent company OCP, they have their potash sources and they are certain of those suppliers. EML, right now have no certainty & what do all markets require, yes, certainty.
Come back in a few years with that view about OCP. OCP, are in the business to harm another business trying drive a hard bargain. Akin robbing peter to pay paul when left alone both companies profit and more importantly local people profit.
NB. Government never issued a schedule release final permit therefore is no delay.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/product-requirements/compliance/technical-documentation-conformity/index_en.htm
Piltick, do read this until able understand?
The technical documentation provides information on the design, manufacture, and operation of a product and must contain all the details necessary to demonstrate the product conforms to the applicable requirements.
If you are the manufacturer, there are certain rules that must be followed when placing a product on the market; you must:
prepare the technical documentation before placing a product on the market
ensure the technical documentation is made available to the market surveillance authorities (should they request to see it) as soon as the product is placed on the market
PHE are not selling except they be selling technology? Then they are selling aren’t they Piltick.
And let’s just work on your view that they are not selling anything, but are selling technology (must be something) then we both agree the item of technology is eventually a physical item rather than a drawing, design, or a back of the fag packet idea. And we know it’s not.
PHE, give away this technology & now somewhere along the value chain this technology does have become a physical item, agree? Yes, ok, now pre sale Eu conformity must be met. Without Eu conformity no physical item may be sold.
Point is there is no mention of the certification a mandatory requirement & all we know is that the data HUI, hold on DMG, from RNS, stated was not good enough and more work requirement. Part of that work is conformity certification.
Try & try and deny and the result is more people will understand that both PHE & HUI, are over valued. Latter is way over valued. At this moment in time.
Nutshazard, If Linde were so keen where are they? Not a peep from HUI, reference and timetable to bring Eu, conformity into the picture allow commercial sale within Eu?
Linde, appear similar to Peel, in that there is no hurry. HUI, could just pay them to do the necessary work within a contract that stipulates a timetable. Really no rocket science to that one.
Add all that the fact HUI, frivolous gave away halve million when those funds could been sent to give certainty that conformity be a serious objective and that the company recognise certification a basic requirement sell DMG, into Eu.
Come on people halve a million only 3.33% of a company that also is trying to develop pyrolysis? And halve a million just to gain permission obtain a lease, and future payments of? All rather queer, we are no further forward in getting the very basics into view nor a schedule to complete those basics?
People woke up and the coffee recommended an exit.
Until either company produces the necessary compliance to allow commercial sale of DMG, we will always be a ship adrift. We will always be six-twelve months away. Without a solid announcement and includes who be taking care these crucial building blocks many conclude that HUI, just chucked the idea of gaining conformity to Linde, in a unprofessional way in that it’s fingers crossed Linde, turn their attention to the matter. That is HUI, perhaps hold no firm contract with any engineering company to progress & remove basic market level entry requirements?
Swazer that is one big slanted eye you have on world events.
An entire country is being flattened, billions of pounds needed to rebuild, insurance companies, global ones in for billions of pounds payouts. Agricultural services and supply of food devastated & rocketing prices all lead to negatives. Turkey, inflation, running out of currency, Sri Lanka, going bankrupt & people facing starvation, etc., etc and an oil company declaring profits while actual fact one of holds millions of pounds of impairment having dumped its Russia, company holding. And not to mention all those companies that exited Russia & all those whom no longer sell into Russia.
Swazer, what planet are you on? There is a lot more than just a problem with hydrocarbon producers and I doubt they forgotten about hydrogen what they want is less risk and PHE & HUI, refuse to be less risky option. Simple. both companies just have to be honest with investors.
Mr White is well aware that Peel and PHE hold a contract that maybe reviewed August this year.
Try to fly a flag to persuade all to jump ship to HUI, is incredible. He did spend money buying HUI shares. I suppose the warm up act pre more shares to be issued? Going to have to buy a DMG machine?
And none for sale its unsellable at the moment? Cost is ten plus million quid per machine?
Where is the value in this share? BoD has had months to set out a clear path instead we are met with hope and no glory.
I did expect volatility when we was at 6 pence either side of. Low as 4 pence if people got fear and month of Ramadan and guarantee of no news ate away at people. Opposite has happed. EML, now 9 pence from 10 pence and all dependent on people holding. If this were to yoyo far better higher than lower.
Think twelve months and if this be the start of volatility, soon be a distant memory. Time will tell.
Dshox, hold that thought of break even six months? That is why OCP, I doubt be a customer the mine will want in the early stages the highest possible price and OCP, be seen as political entity and that isn’t good for business. I believe the Moroccans stay well away until excess capacity is found and then perhaps a slightly better price be on offer, one that we all accept be a thank you. However, nothing to be forced upon EML.
We await after May 9th, Russia, frees up all its troops & arms. Will they take Moldova, and redraw the borders to the coast, add land to that Trannynista or however it’s spelt, bed in long term. Long term sanctions, stability, higher prices, what will the worlds public accept in their shopping basket, equals long term potash price.
Exciting times with good profit potential long term if are a potash fan? Always upon production that possible dividend?