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My theological worry is that God might not believe in us. We keep viewing things upside down and we humans all agree that out own individual beliefs are the important thing. I wonder at how we have all got it so wrong, and for so long too.
Safety...if we dont engage in the conversation then all is lost. Evil, good men, doing nothing and all that. Knowledge is power however you dress it up. I certianly do not fear sky fairies. As Ricky Gervais said and I paraphrase, as he most likely did too, 'there have been thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you'. I think it may have been Mr Hitchens that said it, but if it originated from him I know not. Idententatarian politics is funny. I enjoy a debate, even if I am playings devils advocate. Or not. Or am. Or not. Perhaps that's why I like my day job ;-)
Oldie, I looked them books up. To be honest not my reading pleasure subjects. The Islamic thing is immensely complicated- when I was in turkey rafting I stayed with some Kurds in the mountains great culture except the woman don’t get a fair shout from what I saw; in Erzurum there were fundamentalists, secularists and Kurds. Bit dodgy in some bits, better in others, one day out on a lonely road we nearly got arrested by some fundamentalist police. In just one country there is a myriad of takes on how to be a Muslim. My mate Metin is as English as me except for his religious beliefs. So many views, best left alone and use reading for science issues or pleasure reading I reckon. In my job I have come across fgm a couple of times that gets put to one side for PC reasons, although Muslim in those cases it’s cultural issue. Phew.....
As for gender issues, that ranges from hugely significant issues for individuals to pressure groups insisting on chemical coshs being used on children and lobbying feminists. Again very complex and in that it has thousand variations with each individual being a case on its own. Too much for me with all the complexity. Mind you Reluctant Gangsters by Pitt is an interesting read - I did some work on weapons/youth crime, not the greatest read but a good insight to the psychology of what’s really going on.
Oldie, watch the medcram utube videos on the covid19. Medical lecturer guy - very good indeed ( Ive watched all of them and some others too) - Update 26 refers to the upcoming intended use of engineered RNA to set a shortcut template for antigen production rather than the usual vaccination trigger to get the cells to produce proteins to trigger antigens. I hope they don’t **** it up and make something worse- roads paved with best intentions and all that.
Safety....I spotted it. Strawman, lovely. Thank you for the credit ha ha.
I like to read a good book or article does me. So, inbetween reading 'Unveiled' by Yasmin Mohammed and also Douglas Murray's 'The Madness of the Crowds', I have done a little bit of reading around the Corona virus. Well, today I read that the scientists think the virus can hide for 42 days because it is able to mask itself. It behaves like the AIDS virus. Clever little thing it is, not so clever for us humanbeans though. Oh, yes, both those books are exceptionally good books. They are the kind of books that send snowflakers and indentitarians into a total melt down, on a nuclear scale too. Lovely.
The cure for me is TCP,and the nuns seem to like it,good health all.
Bob,market bounce tommorrow ?,how's tungsten fairing was up $2 this morning I think
DB at 1508 you posted’ Rubbish KV3MC‘. Kev’s reference was to that comment by you, directed at him. Now you try to misdirect and obfuscate by creating ( I am about to use an oldskool term here, see if anyone notices) a straw man argument about points raised by Kev.
More slippery than a bag of eels imho.
Anyway Kev and I are expressing negativity whilst you try to create an aura of positivity. Funny old world imho.
Safetyman, thanks. The youth of today have us down as old codgers who know very little.
He will improve with age, hopefully.
DB, thank you for the cut and paste. Spanish Flu is well documented.
If you can't answer my question about which part of my statement was "rubbish", it would be better to admit it than to stumble around in your own obfuscation.
Anyway, enjoy your evening!
Spot on Kev. C0vid 19 is entirely new. Flu in one form or another has been going around since ever, hence some in the population have some level of immunity. In fact that is the basis of one of the theories on why the older generations fared relatively well in the 1917 ie they had experienced something similar perhaps years before. Furthermore, any immunity to corona viruses is lost after about a year which is again dissimilar. Comparing Apples with onions is not a credible means of denigrating another.
you’re education with physiology and similar matters makes your opinion sound, imho.
Why on earth do you bother Kev
"Rubbish KV3MC. Mortality rate was obviously higher in 1918 largely due to the lack of medical infrastructure, access and treatment options."
I wish you would reflect before posting. What did I post that was rubbish? Since I only posted two points, that should be quite easy for you.
1. The Spanish flu mortality rate was about 2.5%. No-one can know the true figure, because the estimate of fatalities is 50-100 million worldwide. What part of that is rubbish?
2. COVID19 has the potential to be more destructive. Which part of that is rubbish? Perhaps you are as expert in epidemiology?
COVID19 is, by all accounts, extremely transmissible, has an incubation period of up to 42 days and can lie dormant in a victim before breaking out again, and the patient becomes infectious again. Are you really insisting that COVID19 has ZERO potential to be more harmful than Spanish flu? Not even a 0.0001% chance of it being more destructive?
I don't mind that you don't agree with me, but if you feel the need to disagree, then please put some thought into your argument.
"Rubbish" is the kind of remark a teenager makes.
The Spanish flu was mitigated in comparison with this Coronavirus by dint of difference with interconnectivity. My uncle told me when he was a boy, in 1917 in Hornchurch village, a neighbour stood at the gate and as he and my Nan (his mum) walked by; he told them that they all had the flu. My Nan and all the other neighbours stayed well away. Everyone in that house died. Far fewer people travelled on planes etc, isolation was in some places like small towns and villages far easier, now we have larger cities etc.
All in all the chances for spreading contagion are far higher because of infrastructure.
Also the transmission of this is high with some RO figures quoted at 4.
In the case of the Spanish flu the healthier young died in far greater numbers than the enfeebled old.
This virus has its own characteristics. As it’s merely a strand of RNA It’s a tricky thing and the boffins are trying to develop a novel approach for engineering the vaccine, that’s because they haven’t had anything like this critter previously.
Mortality rate for kids up to 12 approaching zero, mortality rate for 65+ makes the largest group of deaths by corona virus. There's now a woman who had it was cleared and has tested positive again so mild infection, or otherwise doesn't apparently protect by producing antibodies. Various forms of Coronavirus are endemic in various parts of the worlds so this current form could establish itself and we could end up with seasonal infections
What a win, or should I say a, lose, treble:-
The Iranian rulers
I can’t see why anyone would be worried !!!!
Trump says there’s nothing to worry about so I am sure that bojo feels the same as his hero !
RazorShultz, those are the figures from the Spanish flu. COVID19 has the potential to be more destructive.
I use 60% infected with a 2.4% death rate for those infected based on a world population of 7 billion.
As others have said - let's hope it can be contained whilst a vaccine is prepared.
I have more faith in the Scientists than the politicians.
I see Iran (the country that has let the virus run rife and free as God will decide who should live and die) has now banned Chinese from entering the country. Talk about bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Like I say you can't trust politicians.
correct me if i'm wrong, but 100m deaths worldwide on around 2% mortality rate, we'd have to assume there would be about 5 billion people infected, wouldn't we? (100m x 10 = 1b, then 1b x 5. 100m is 2% of 5bil) I don't think that'll happen in honesty
GIT, I am sure Boris will be able ‘to get burying done’ . He has such a great record of successful outcomes like; them London buses, the cycle lanes, laying in front of the bull dozers to prevent the 4th runway, the diplomatic coup over saghari-ratcliffe, alienation on trade with the USA over huawei, the appointment of weirdos to advise on everything from military strategy to commercial enterprises and doing away the experts in the field. The mans a genius, I have every confidence in a successful outcome to any possible scenario. Nothing to worry about.
If there are normally 620,000 deaths per year, and Covid-19 kills a load more (let’s for arguments sake say 1,000,000) even if we allow for the fact that some of the additional 1million might have died anyway, and therefore been part of the normal 620,000, we would still see a massive increase on the normal yearly death rate, at least double ! And that would mean that the government would have to introduce some very unpalatable measures, mass burials being the most likely.
BUT, let’s not run away with ourselves, it may we’ll be contained and the additional deaths may be very few. Let’s hope so.
And all the numbers don’t include food Shortages caused by flooded farm land, lack of seasonal pickers due to brexit, plagues of locusts in Africa, the swine flu that has killed all the pigs in China, cattle lost in Aus from the drought and the pests ur crops are going to get from climate warming.
Buy lots of bags of lentils while you still can.
I am feeling depressed.
So I ain’t going to discuss the lack of resilience here in the NHS, and God forbid the parlous state of healthcare resource in France. Mind you this could resolve the poverty issue in the USA, the poor not being able to pay for healthcare and such.
Woe and thrice woe.
Now a good announcement on our gold resource would lift me spirits imho.
Man in black - my calculations show nearly a million fatalities for thr UK and about 100 million worldwide unless containment buys time for a vaccine.
You say that there are 620,000 deaths typically per annum in the uk - one would assume that about say 500000 of these will now be as a result of the Covid-19 and so we may have about 500000 extra deaths but these maybe compressed into a shorter time frame.
Made it back from supermarket ok, had trouble getting in and out of car though. They had to pack for me, courgette very uncomfortable. Still, if i get ill now, i cant say i didn't take precautions. Strangely, no customers at sushi counter but that's not unusual.
Still no upturn in SP, maybe this afto?