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Mother - I think the rise of Corbyn and his total indoctrination of his young followers is a warning to us all - his supporters are often hysterical with adulation. Democracy is a fragile thing. Look how he has turned Blair into a hate figure in the Labour party - he is more reviled than Boris and he was labour prime minister.
The answer to the question - the only labour prime minister elected in the last 40 years is the hated Tony Blair. the man who invented the third way (communism by stealth) and almost got it right and then taxed and bribed the public with give aways just like his predecessors.
How many Consevative leaders have the public elected to prime minister in the past 40 years - will Boris be the 4th or 5th?
With luck Kalan, JC will be looking for a job as a supermarket Santa Claus by the weekend but who'd want to sit on his lap, ho ho ho?
Quiz question : How many Labour leaders have the British public voted into power in the past 40 years.
The answer shows that the public aren't as daft as some of us would believe.
The Blair/Brown catastrophe nearly sent us over the edge by spending 70 billion a year more than they raised in taxes despite Brown's 40 stealth taxes. It's taken 10 years to almost balance the books and we haven't paid a penny of the one trillion pounds of debt off. Meanwhile we have wide open doors and more and more money needing to be spent on services. We haven't even started austerity yet as we haven't lived within our means let alone paid back debt. Corbyn's answer - borrow 100 billion a year more and get us to 2 trillion debt before the 5 years of the next parliament is up. madness - but history shows that the people make the right decisions - fingers crossed they do it again.
Gorden Brown already did that and tried to hide it by calling it the public finance initiative. It put more public money into large companies than just about anything - truly immoral
What is the point in borrowing billions of pounds that the younger generation will have to pay back at some point in their future, if at the same time you leave our borders open at choose not to defend ourselves. Corbyn madness. Labour should have dumped him years ago to be represented by a moderate leader with some common sense.
Am no politician,nor do take much interest in it but I think that the conservative party will win ,I did notice that in the last election ukip got more votes than the entire votes for snp ,shows how much interest there is in politics up there imho ,anyway back to wres ,hoping to see some funding news next week start this moving in the right direction ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KTsihAee_E&feature=emb_logo
Kalan - I'm actually from N Ireland and have always had a conflicted relationship with Britishness. I tend to think of my Britishness in the 4 Nations rugby setting of 4 friends although different, all getting along equally. I understand many people see this differently. My problem with Democracy is that it has just become a farce. It's not as if it wasn't predicted though... https://classicalwisdom.com/philosophy/socrates-plato/plato-and-the-disaster-of-democracy/ - Best wishes for your investments too...
I give up. Google 1975 REFERENDUM as you don't want to accept what I'm telling you is correct.
You will see it was a vote to CONTINUE our membership not join
I will be voting for any party that can keep the SNP bigots out
Democracy doesn’t resonate with them
It was a referendum to join a common market. It was a referendum - we would all be happy to be part of the common market wouldn't we - without the rest of it that has been imposed by politicians.
Kalan
You are entirely wrong there was 100% a referendum.
Good luck with your investments saothair - I don't think we are going to agree - I don't believe anything I am told by a politician and make my own mind up. A politician or 400 lying to win the vote is par for the course - Nicola has been caught lying more than once in the past couple of weeks. I am British and proud of it, then I am a Yorkshireman and lastly English. Love Europe and Europeans - hate the EU with a passion - totally undemocratic stealth grab of the sovereignty of the countries of Europe. At least it's been done with little bloodshed this time. It will come to a bitter and sorry end - it's already starting. we will be glad we are out and that the UK stuck together. remember why Scotland joined up to make Great Britain in the first place - nothing has changed on that score.
So the 1975 referendum wasn't a referendum according to you. Well as long as it supports your agenda you keep thinking that. You're still wrong though.
STV - there was vote in parliament - this referendum overturned that vote. I meant he signed the treaty without asking the people what they wanted in a referendum so this referendum does NOT overturn a previous referendum.
P.S I would not object to a referendum on re-joining the EU 10 or 20 years from now so long as this one is enacted - as we are democratically bound to do. either that or we are not a democracy.
You're wrong part 2.
The Maastricht treaty passed a vote in parliament by a majority of 40 votes. So to correct you further there was a vote and John Major was influential in the creation of it
As a mid-size shareholder in WRES I sort of lurked in the background to follow some balanced posts on this share which I hope to continue to do. However conversation steered into politics and as a person (not Scottish) living in Aberdeenshire, with a Scottish family (half Independence / half Unionist) democracy was raised.
Kalan - When Scotland voted in 2014 it was promised its position in the EU was safe if it stayed part of the Union. It patently wasn't. This was a lie and their were many others told
Oldskool - It was a Scottish vote for self determination. Anyone living in Scotland could vote and 16 year olds were given the vote because they can get married, join the army, pay taxes. Nothing about this is anti English. I know many English people here in Aberdeenshire voting for an Independent Scotland because England is simply sailing off in a different direction.
Everyone entitled to their own opinion and I shall now return to lurking for advice on whether WRES will actually make me some money...
You're wrong, in 1975 we decided to remain in the common market
2 points:
In 1975 we voted to join a common market - that's all. john major took us into the EU as is without a vote and just signed the treaty. We have voted to reverse his decision - the first time the people of the UK have been asked to make the decision. In 1975 those who did not want to join the common market never dreamt of not honouring it - because the politicians agreed with the people. this time the politicians did not agree and have sought to put their will on this rather than that of the people - clearly not democratic.
Secondly - Scotland. Scotland is more bound by the vote to leave the EU than any other region or country in the UK. Scotland is the only part of the UK to have had a referendum of the population to see if they wanted to stay part of the UK or leave - they decided to stay and be bound together in our decision making and governance. As an Englishman I have not had that choice - I am bound by our common decisions by dint of history not by choice. The English, Welsh and Northern Irish are not, therefore, bound to the UK as strongly as the Scots. the Scots voted to be part of the Uk and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU.
Nicola Sturgeon is the least democratic leader in the UK as she wants to overturn 2 referenda, Jo Swinson is the next worst - she unilaterally wants to overturn one referendum. Corbyn and his second referendum but with no leave oprion is next. Boris with his deal is more democratic than all of those. farage can claim to be the most democratic because he wants to LEAVE ALTOGETHER which is what we voted for.
Soathair. Why does N Sturgeon have such an issue with EU citizens not being able to vote in the EU referendum but wont allow citizens of the UK to vote in a Scottish independent referendum? Wanting 16 year olds to vote too, she is desperate. Perhaps she fears the result. I wonder if the Scots vote for Independance by a margin of 52-48% in favour of Independance a second referendum will be allowed a few years later? Hmmm, I think not. Just to be clear, I want Scotland to remain as part of the UK. I am however, fed up with the anti-English woe is me mentality of what is a vocal few.
I don't disagree with you on any of that. It's been well reported. It has missed 8 out of 10 health care metrics but those same metrics show that its the best performing Health Service in the UK. You seemed to skip that bit. But hey, Jimmy Krankie and personal abuse and all that...
saothair, if you want to make a point, then please do.
SNP has missed 8 out of 10 health care metrics.
Scotland has the worst drug problem in Europe.
Scotland cut its drug rehabilitation budget by 50% this year.
Now, hopefully avoiding further personal abuse, which of those facts do you take issue with?
For once I agree with you oldie.
As a Scot, I object to all those anti-English voices.
I'm sort of worried K3VMC that if this is your take on Scotland that I may have completely misjudged you on WRES. That's probably one of the most ill informed posts I've read. What have you been drinking (or smoking)?
"STV. Those that voted in 1975 were not told of the plans" Neither were those who voted in 2016, because no one had a clue how it would pan out, Border down the Irish sea - Really!
Nothing will ever get better until we have MP's who are not allowed to make it their career, but we've had that conversation before. The system is worse than broken. I was clearing out a load of old paper work the other day and came across my old tax bills. I have paid over a million quid into the system and a chunk of that has gone to Europe so I think I have paid for my right to live where I want in the EU and not have it taken away from me because some one didn't like the 1975 result. From all the information I have read about climate change I have come to the conclusion that it has already gone too far, so I'm going to have fun, eat, drink, and drive around without a care in the world and just hope that my grandkids aren't daft enough to have offspring