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Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts about VOD and RR robleo. I'll certainly reflect on what you've said before making any decisions. One thing's for sure, it's a lot easier to lose money than to make it in this game! Good luck with your investments robleo.
Garonne, just something for you to think about, RR is at a 5 year high and Vodafone is at a 5 year low, we also have 2 Wars going on high inflation and interest rates, a recession in Germany and the UK and elsewhere
But you have to decide what you think is the best decision for yourself, one very important rule is never invest more than you can afford to lose on any individual share, especially one that's been in decline for the last 5 years, hopefully this will get a lot better but it won't happen overnight, and theirs no guarantees with any shares, this may continue to be a disappointing under performing share as it's been for the last 5 years or it could change direction, who knows
best of luck though which ever way you decide to go, but do what you think is best for you
I don't like posters who think they have a certain right to tell others what to do, daniel. If you don't like my posts, filter, don't get abusive. My views on VOD are just as valid as yours.
No Garonne, it won't come in time for you. You have no patience. Sell vod now and buy RR.
Dan promises promises ?, I hope your right though, it would improve the mood here if we could see this making it's way towards 80p
Garonnne, i was only joking of course, yes you need the patience of a saint here
best of luck
Sorry robleo! I just can't help it. I guess I'm more angry at myself for selling RR and jumping in here, especially as it heads ever upwards! Maybe VOD's turn will come. Patience as they say!
Rob, Stop moaning & just sell up!!! Shame about your anti climax? But I reckon up in the morning? 70p please by the weekend. Have a good one.
Garonne, LSE rules your only only allowed 3 moan a day, if it was any other share it would only be 1
Bad inflation figures expected to come out in the US tomorrow get your tin hats on ready
Not been a very good start to 2024 let's hope the next season will be better, i'm afraid to say to much in case Aveo tells me to sell up, but it was another anti climax here again unfortunately
And to increase the SP not decrease it!
I think GutterSnipe meant to say "I is glad I isn't with it" But I think we all know that already!
Comparing Rolls Royce to Vodafone is totally ridiculous as they are completely different. As for Vod's C.E.O. not wanting too lose money, just suggests she is not stupid. Her job is not to hype the vod share price, just run Vod the best way she can.
" Switzerland’s largest political party voiced opposition to Swisscom AG’s plans to buy Vodafone Group Plc’s Italian business for €8 billion ($8.7 billion)."
“The Swiss Confederation is the majority shareholder of Swisscom and is therefore ultimately liable for the company,” the right-wing Swiss Peoples’ Party, or SVP, said in a statement on Wednesday. “The SVP Switzerland rejects foreign adventures when the state de facto guarantees for losses.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-28/swisscom-s-8-billion-italy-deal-opposed-by-largest-swiss-party
Tufan Erginbilgic has been buying more RR shares! Pity our incumbent CEO wouldn't do the same here. I guess she doesn't want to lose money!
" Switzerland’s largest political party voiced opposition to Swisscom AG’s plans to buy Vodafone Group Plc’s Italian business for €8 billion ($8.7 billion)."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-28/swisscom-s-8-billion-italy-deal-opposed-by-largest-swiss-party
Something else to consider is that Vodafone transferred Vodafone Italy's Towers into INWIT around 2019/20, and subsequently transferred their INWIT shareholding into Vantage Towers; So the Vodafone Italy sale shouldn't include any Tower assets if I'm understanding things correctly.
Https://shorttracker.co.uk/
But it is trailing and does not show everyone.
Https://www.lse.co.uk/ShareShortPositions.html?shareprice=VOD&share=Vodafone
Hi fleccy, how do you find out if short positions are added? I recal one of your posts where you mentioned it, is this information close to real time or delayed?
It's starting to look as it if it's another bull-trap. I'm still hoping for 63.4 or so (which hasn't yet been achieved). The SP rose on the Italy hopes and now news and hopes, but is giving that up quite easily as if someone is selling into it. Could the idea that a cut to the divi would impact the SP negatively, be driving someome to sell out the rises? A divi cut does seem likely to me as 11% or so seems very high.
It gone right downe agane sadley.
I were knot suprised when the slop started.
It be rollin over big tyme.
I is glad I isn't in it 😁
Next week, Beo1 will teach us profit and loss :)
Nice little rug pull today, classic FTSE.
Yes, it does make sense.
On the group accounts the debt numbers would be the actual debt from external providers and yes thats sat in the group accounts. The Group holding company will then inter company loan X amounts to the individual entities (eg Vodafone Ltd), that debt will not be part of NewCo Italy. so therefor the asset on the holding company will be £0 but the actual debt with the finance company will still be there till we pay it. Based on the UK i estimated the Italy inter company loan to be about 2b eur but it is a guess.
"If i had to guess I'd say about 2b Eur, UK is 2.5b but Italy is 2/3 of the size"
Beo no doubt you have a far greater in depth understanding of accounts than I do, but are you overcomplicating something that's simple. Does Italy have any Financial Debt? Because I can't see anything in Vodafone's documentation mentioning any Financial Debt in respect of Italy, with all the Debt accounted for at Group level within the Free Cash Flow calculation.
Italy will have Liabilities, like leases, but they will transfer with the business along with things like Spectrum licences. Is it not reasonable to assume that Vodafone will receive €8 Billion in cash, keep hold of any debt at Group level and Swisscom will take ownership of any Liabilities directly associated with the Italian business onto their books?
In the RNS it says the deal will go through on a "debt and cash free basis ", so I assume Vodafone wont transfer any debt onto the Italian business as part of the deal, and Vodafone will receive any outstanding cash on the balance sheet when the deal closes; So Vodafone will receive sale cash of €8 Billion plus whatever cash may be sitting on the Italian business balance sheet when the deal goes through; With any liabilities, like leases, then becoming the responsibility of Swisscom.
Does that make sense?
"Vodafone has rejected an offer by billionaire telecoms tycoon Xavier Niel to merge their Italian operations in a €10.5bn"
Today we have :
"...There is also a possibility that other parties, such as Iliad, the French telecoms group that operates in Italy as a low-cost mobile provider, could make a counter-offer or challenge the deal"
This 'deal' will have a few more twists 'n' turns before long imo.
aimo & dyor
That's a dad joke and a half right there